Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 08:09:57AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > hi ya hendrik > > On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I've never been able fo figure out what webmin does in sufficient > > detail to enable me to use it. > > i know webmin is broken in terms of creating the correct >

Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya hendrik On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've never been able fo figure out what webmin does in sufficient > detail to enable me to use it. i know webmin is broken in terms of creating the correct config files ... ( or good enuff for some .. but not the silly boat i want )

Re: tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:13:55AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > webmin is the purrfect example to me of what's broken, > but is agoo dstart for beginners that like to point-n-click > because if you looked at the files, what to change in the config > files would be deep void > - it's

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-12 Thread hendrik
Some thing I wish for are A diagnostic index -- solutions indexed by symptom. IBM once had one of these for OS/2. It starts with common classes of complaints, like, the screen stays black, and ends up in a tree of possibilities. Obvious things like "make sure it's turned on". Unobvious things

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-08 Thread Steve Kemp
> My ideal website would be one that combined the material in the really > useful http://www.debian-administration.org/ :) > with simpler guides for less experienced users (such as, the basics of > aptitude, how to install Nvidia/ATI 3d drivers, or the basics of > Debian-specific commands lik

tools Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-08 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya andy On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Andy Streich wrote: > But I expect you to have something in mind as well -- something of your own > that has motivated you to create a new Debian site. yup.. :-) > Anyway, I'd love to see not just docs for new users but configuration > software > that plays an

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Andy Streich
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:26 pm, Josh King wrote: > So, the question is still open. What is "all the Debian-related material > we all wish for"? At least in your view? I've received several inputs on > this, both on and off this list. Its given us a good direction to start > with, but I'd li

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Josh King wrote: > All I can do is give my assurances that I plan to be in this for the > duration. Those who know me know I'm not one to give up easily ;-) yup... from what i can see so far .. > As for help to fix the problems, I would welcome anyone willing to roll > u

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Alvin Oga wrote: yes .. always give credit to those willing to put in time and effort into free documentation and other relevant info ... - and if they are looking for helpers, one could step in and help fix the problems they're having what someone doesn't like may be what othe

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Andy Streich wrote: > Sometimes it's about the "personal requirement for individual recognition," > but other times it has more to do with an individual having a vision and > trying it out. That's not something we should be pushing back on. Sure it > would be nice if all

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Mark Crean wrote: > The OP's post was sincere and his questions worthwhile. His site is also > new and so not yet fully worked out, so far as I can tell. I think he > deserves more than you appear able to give. yes .. always give credit to those willing to put in time and e

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Andy Streich wrote: Sometimes it's about the "personal requirement for individual recognition," but other times it has more to do with an individual having a vision and trying it out. That's not something we should be pushing back on. Sure it would be nice if all these people found a way to

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Andy Streich
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 01:26 pm, Katipo wrote: > Mark Crean wrote: > > However, in my experience running a website is a great deal of hard > > work and many people start to flag after three months or so. Many > > other people enjoy running their own show and wouldn't want to combine > > into

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Katipo
Mark Crean wrote: However, in my experience running a website is a great deal of hard work and many people start to flag after three months or so. Many other people enjoy running their own show and wouldn't want to combine into a bigger one, other than as, perhaps, an item in a web ring. Whi

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Antony Gelberg wrote: I don't understand what you want to do other than run a website and collaborate with other websites, whatever that means in this instance. What I want to do is cut down on the redundancy. Whether I run it or not is irrelevant. I would like to be involved, yes. Collaborati

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
> I wonder if you or colleagues have taken a good look at what other > distros and their users are doing with regard to websites. Perhaps some > ideas may come of it? The only other ones I know well are SuSE and > Ubuntu. SuSE's online presence is also a little bitty and spread around, > largely be

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
> Josh King wrote: > > Don't take this the wrong way, but you asked. What is the point of your > site existing? What does it achieve that has not already been achieved > elsewhere, better? > > I like the one-question FAQ: > "I want to get more involved with DebCentral, what can I do to help? WHo

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Crean
Antony Gelberg wrote: [snip] I like the one-question FAQ: "I want to get more involved with DebCentral, what can I do to help? WHo (sic) do I need to contact?" What an informative resource. The OP's post was sincere and his questions worthwhile. His site is also new and so not yet fully wo

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Crean
Josh King wrote: Hey all, Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs on an idea I have. [snip] I wonder if you or colleagues have taken a good look at what other distros and their users are do

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Josh King
Richard Lyons wrote: I'm half inclined to ignore this post as merely promotional, but debcentral looks fairly interesting, even if I couldn't create an account on its wiki (that part of the form missing). Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. I am hoping that we can accomplish some kind of a

Re: Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-07 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday, 6 December 2005 at 21:43:15 -0600, Josh King wrote: > Hey all, > > Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really > would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs > on an idea I have. [...] > subject was the basis of an article written b

Slightly OT: Comments, ideas, or suggestions for improving websites

2005-12-06 Thread Josh King
Hey all, Currently I am the lead admin/webmaster of DebCentral.org. I really would like to take a few minutes out of your life to gather some inputs on an idea I have. I know the general advice from this list and other Debian-* lists has generally consistent through the years I have followed