Re: jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-29 Thread Tom Furie
-amd64-DVD-$i.jigdo"; > --scan "debian-7.4.0-amd64-$i.iso" --noask > > jigdo still asks me questions, so I can not send it through a for > loop and a '&'. > > > Also, since jigdo is able to find files from a distant source, I was > wondering if it

Re: jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-29 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.04.2014 16:27, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Hello. I am trying to update some iso images ( I have downloaded ISOs last week, but it seems that there were an update since, my images are in 7.4 and last debian stable is 7.5 ) through jigdo, and wanted to play a little with its scr

jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-29 Thread berenger . morel
end it through a for loop and a '&'. Also, since jigdo is able to find files from a distant source, I was wondering if it is or not possible to retrieve those files from a local directory? For example, imagine you have the whole collection of debian's DVDs images ( so, 10

Re: Problem building h263/4 for asterisk from source

2014-03-22 Thread David Woodfall
On (23/03/14 11:49), Chris Bannister put forth the proposition: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:05:32PM +, David Woodfall wrote: I tried installing ptlib and openh323 from source but make in ptlib errored out with something that I couldn't fathom out. I'm new to Debian and apt so a

Re: Problem building h263/4 for asterisk from source

2014-03-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:05:32PM +, David Woodfall wrote: > I tried installing ptlib and openh323 from source but make in ptlib > errored out with something that I couldn't fathom out. > > I'm new to Debian and apt so any help on getting the latest asterisk > work

Problem building h263/4 for asterisk from source

2014-03-21 Thread David Woodfall
h h323 using apt-get then configure throws an error about not finding ptlib-config and halts. I did search for this ptlib-config and found some old ML posts reporting the same thing. I didn't find a cure though unfortunately. I tried installing ptlib and openh323 from source but make in ptlib er

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Hector
On 23/01/14 15:53, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > This brings up the next issue: how difficult is it in debian to configure > > the upgrade process so that it is the sources which are automatically > > downloaded and (also automatically) compiled? > > I don't think there's any support for that. That co

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2014-01-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> The rule of thumb, in general is that a speed increase smaller than >> about 30% goes unnoticed. > That 30% sounds about right, but then too I suppose it would also depend > upon how closely the speed is being examined and how perceptually prominent > the executable is and other factors. Of cou

Re: Installing Mahara from source on Debian SID.

2014-01-12 Thread Csanyi Pal
Hi Selim, "Selim T. Erdogan" writes: > Csanyi Pal, 11.01.2014: >> >> 6. >> Mahara Configuration >> >> cd /usr/share/mahara/htdocs/ >> sudo cp config-dist.php config.php >> sudo nano config.php >> >> >> $cfg = new stdClass(); > > Here you have "$cfg = new stdClass();" > >> >> $cfg->dbtype

Re: Installing Mahara from source on Debian SID.

2014-01-11 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Csanyi Pal, 11.01.2014: > > 6. > Mahara Configuration > > cd /usr/share/mahara/htdocs/ > sudo cp config-dist.php config.php > sudo nano config.php > > > $cfg = new stdClass(); Here you have "$cfg = new stdClass();" > > $cfg->dbtype = 'postgres'; > $cfg->dbhost = 'localhost'; > $cfg->dbpo

Installing Mahara from source on Debian SID.

2014-01-11 Thread Csanyi Pal
Hi, on my Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) Desktop machine I want to install Mahara ( https://mahara.org/ ) from source: https://launchpad.net/mahara/1.8/1.8.1/+download/mahara-1.8.1.tar.gz I'm trying to follow this tutorial: https://wiki.mahara.org/index.php/System_Administrator%27s_

Re: [debian-user] Howto build Debian source packages (tar.gz)??

2013-12-01 Thread Nick Rudnick
bnvidia-encode1 > dpkg -i libnvidia-ifr1 > dpkg -i libnvidia-ml1 > dpkg -i nvidia-cuda-mps > dpkg -i nvidia-detect > dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source > dpkg -i nvidia-libopencl1 > dpkg -i nvidia-opencl-common > dpkg -i nvidia-opencl-icd > dpkg -i nvidia-smi > dpkg -i nvidia-

Re: Howto build Debian source packages (tar.gz)??

2013-11-26 Thread Richard Lawrence
Nick Rudnick writes: > how to build Debian source packages, > e.g. nvidia-graphics-drivers_331.20-1.debian.tar.gz ( > http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers)?? > It seems different to common DEB as well as tarballs with configure/make. Others may be

Re: [debian-user] Howto build Debian source packages (tar.gz)??

2013-11-26 Thread Vincent W. Chen
Hi Nick, On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Nick Rudnick wrote: > Dear all, > > how to build Debian source packages, e.g. > nvidia-graphics-drivers_331.20-1.debian.tar.gz > (http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers)?? > It seems different to com

[debian-user] Howto build Debian source packages (tar.gz)??

2013-11-26 Thread Nick Rudnick
Dear all, how to build Debian source packages, e.g. nvidia-graphics-drivers_331.20-1.debian.tar.gz ( http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers)?? It seems different to common DEB as well as tarballs with configure/make. Even a search term would help, as trying with

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-11-11 Thread ken
and other factors. This would depend to a large degree upon the code... specifically, if the code (OS and apps) makes use of the expanded instruction sets of the more expensive CPUs. Generally the code doesn't, unless gcc/make is configured for the particular CPU and then that sour

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-11-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
ke is configured > for the particular CPU and then that source is compiled. I've done this in > the (distant) past and noticed a significant increase in performance over > the stock executables provided by the distro. Over time, the "baseline" used by the distros evolves, so by

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
n test stage and screen printed with CPU identifier accordingly. > This would depend to a large degree upon the code... specifically, > if the code (OS and apps) makes use of the expanded instruction sets > of the more expensive CPUs. Generally the code doesn't, unless > gcc/make is

new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-10-27 Thread ken
U and then that source is compiled. I've done this in the (distant) past and noticed a significant increase in performance over the stock executables provided by the distro. Though I'm currently not using debian, it's what I'm planning to use. From the web I find that the la

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-10-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:03:47PM +0200, Slavko wrote: > Hi, > > Dňa Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:00:03 +0400 recovery...@gmail.com napísal: > > > Unless you intend to do something very strange (i.e. amd64.deb which > > contains i386 binaries), you'll probably better build package for i386 > > in a pure

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-11 Thread recoverym4n
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:03:47 +0200 Slavko wrote: > Hi, > > Dňa Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:00:03 +0400 recovery...@gmail.com napísal: > > > Unless you intend to do something very strange (i.e. amd64.deb which > > contains i386 binaries), you'll probably better build package for i386 > > in a pure i386

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-11 Thread recoverym4n
Hi. On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 23:20:34 +0200 Lucio Crusca wrote: > I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, after > having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I've found here: > > $ dpkg-buildpackage -ai386 >From my limited experience in

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-11 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:00:03 +0400 recovery...@gmail.com napísal: > Unless you intend to do something very strange (i.e. amd64.deb which > contains i386 binaries), you'll probably better build package for i386 > in a pure i386 chroot (easily made by deboostrap). Or in chroot created by the

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-10 Thread ken
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:34PM +0200, Lucio Crusca wrote: I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, after having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I've found here: Look at the manpage for gcc (which I'm assuming you'll be using) and you

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 06:30:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:34PM +0200, Lucio Crusca wrote: > > I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, after > > having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I've found here: &g

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Did you google for "debian cross compiling"? Seemingly there are pre build toolchains available. https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers https://www.google.de/search?q=debian+cross+platform+compiling&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=fire

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-10 Thread Lucio Crusca
In data lunedì 9 settembre 2013 18:30:41, Gregory Nowak ha scritto: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:34PM +0200, Lucio Crusca wrote: > > I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, > > after > > > having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I&#x

Re: building from source for different arch

2013-09-09 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:34PM +0200, Lucio Crusca wrote: > I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, after > having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I've found here: You might want to have a look at apt-src or apt-build. I seem to recall that apt

building from source for different arch

2013-09-09 Thread Lucio Crusca
Hi, I'm trying to build opus package from source for both amd64 and i386, after having applied the patch by Pino Toscano I've found here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674467 What I've done so far is: $ apt-get source opus # apt-get build-dep opus

Re: Re: failure to configure and compile a source code.

2013-08-11 Thread atar
Bob wrote: atar wrote: I've downloaded from bluez.org the source of the 5.7 package but Any reason not to use the Debian packaged version already in Debian? when I ran ./configure on it, it emitted an error message at the bottom of all the messages saying: "checking for

Re: failure to configure and compile a source code.

2013-08-09 Thread Bob Proulx
atar wrote: > I've downloaded from bluez.org the source of the 5.7 package but Any reason not to use the Debian packaged version already in Debian? > when I ran ./configure on it, it emitted an error message at the > bottom of all the messages saying: > > "checking f

failure to configure and compile a source code.

2013-08-09 Thread atar
Hi there!! My machine is running Debian Wheezy from the live-boot Debian project which is installed on my USB stick. I've downloaded from bluez.org the source of the 5.7 package but when I ran ./configure on it, it emitted an error message at the bottom of all the messages s

Re: Development packages need to build emacs from source

2013-08-04 Thread Harry Putnam
Thanks to all. That `apt-get build-dep emacs' is great... thanks, I'd forgotten about that. Teemu posted the needed list... very helpful. As it happens, I'd already gotten lucky tracking down the needed pkgs (and probably a goodly number of unneeded) since my OP. I will know better next time..

Re: Development packages need to build emacs from source

2013-08-04 Thread Teemu Likonen
Harry Putnam [2013-08-03 12:27:52 -04:00] wrote: > Anyone here who has built emacs recently that knows what pkgs I need > to be able to build it?... I always build Emacs myself and install the following packages: libgtk2.0-dev, libgnutls-dev, libfontconfig1-dev, libotf-dev, libm17n-dev,

Re: Development packages need to build emacs from source

2013-08-04 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Harry Putnam writes: > I'm building emacs for the bzr sources but keep being told I don't > have x development pkgs installed. > > I installed several xorg.*dev pkgs.. and a few others that looked like > they might be what I need. But still getting the report from > configure that x development

Re: Development packages need to build emacs from source

2013-08-04 Thread staticsafe
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 12:27:52PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm building emacs for the bzr sources but keep being told I don't > have x development pkgs installed. > > I installed several xorg.*dev pkgs.. and a few others that looked like > they might be what I need. But still getting the rep

Development packages need to build emacs from source

2013-08-04 Thread Harry Putnam
I'm building emacs for the bzr sources but keep being told I don't have x development pkgs installed. I installed several xorg.*dev pkgs.. and a few others that looked like they might be what I need. But still getting the report from configure that x development files are not found, and offers to

nvidia-kernel-source 304.88-6

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Kroeger
My thanks to the developing classes of Debian who as together or as one (it only takes one) fixed this package that fixed the module that fixed the nvidia driver. Good show. -- CK where should my humble contribution be directed? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)

2013-07-11 Thread nick marshall
/squeeze/Release Unable to find | expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file | (malformed Release file?) | | | Here is my sources.list: | | | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main unstable | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main unstable | | deb http

Re: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)

2013-07-11 Thread Daniel M. Drucker
led to fetch > > http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find > > expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file > > (malformed Release file?) > > > > > > Here is my sources.list: > > > > > > deb http://ftp.us.de

W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)

2013-07-11 Thread Daniel M. Drucker
Sources Hit http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates/main amd64 Packages W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) Here is my sources.list: deb http

Re: Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-04 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/input/misc/uinput.c #n880 That is, go to https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree and delve down to where your module source is. Look for "MODULE_VERSION" Thanks, this works in *most* cases. But some modules do not

Re: Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-03 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 04:05:13PM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: > Hi, > > how can I find out the version number of a particular kernel module > without downloading, without installing, without booting, from > Taking, as an example, uinput: > - the kernel source

Re: bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-03 Thread Darac Marjal
Should it be added to: > > > > 1. The Recommends field of linux-source-(version) debs. > > 2. Compilation section of kernel-source:Documentation/Changes. > > > > ? > > Probably yes. But since bc is priority standard it will exist on all > Debian machines

Re: bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-02 Thread Bob Proulx
e asking about is off in the hinterland regions of the borderlands. > bc, an arbitrary precision calculator language, is a kernel build > dependency since a long time ago. Should it be added to: > > 1. The Recommends field of linux-source-(version) debs. > 2.

Re: bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Regid Ichira wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 08:14:40 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > > > 1. What exactly are you concerned about that we can do something > >about on the users list? Has bc been dropped from being a default > >part of the most basic install? > > bc i

Re: bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-02 Thread Regid Ichira
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 08:14:40 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > 1. What exactly are you concerned about that we can do something >about on the users list? Has bc been dropped from being a default >part of the most basic install? bc is priority standard. Doesn't that mean that there are Debian ins

Re: Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-02 Thread Wayne Topa
On 07/02/2013 02:54 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 01.07.2013 um 17:52 schrieb Wayne Topa: On 07/01/2013 10:05 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: I.e. I would like the version number of a kernel module (e.g. drbd, megaraid_sas, igb) before deciding to download, compile, or install. #

Re: Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-01 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 01.07.2013 um 17:52 schrieb Wayne Topa: On 07/01/2013 10:05 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: I.e. I would like the version number of a kernel module (e.g. drbd, megaraid_sas, igb) before deciding to download, compile, or install. # apt-cache search linux-image |grep ^linux HTH That'

Re: bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-01 Thread Joel Rees
06/msg01262.html. Is it > because the answers are too obvious? > > bc, an arbitrary precision calculator language, is a kernel build > dependency since a long time ago. Should it be added to: > > 1. The Recommends field of linux-source-(version) debs. > 2. Compilat

bc is not in linux-source debs.Recommended, neither in Documentation/Changes

2013-07-01 Thread Regid Ichira
. The Recommends field of linux-source-(version) debs. 2. Compilation section of kernel-source:Documentation/Changes. ? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/269395 is a similar issue in Gentoo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-01 Thread Wayne Topa
On 07/01/2013 10:05 AM, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Hi, how can I find out the version number of a particular kernel module without downloading, without installing, without booting, from - the kernel source repository - the debian source package - the debian binary package - the running

Kernel module version from source/package without downloading?

2013-07-01 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Hi, how can I find out the version number of a particular kernel module without downloading, without installing, without booting, from - the kernel source repository - the debian source package - the debian binary package - the running kernel, or the loaded modules I.e. I would like the

Fwd: Debian joins Free & Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women

2013-04-22 Thread Pablo Duboue
ònica Ramírez Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM Subject: Debian joins Free & Open Source Software Outreach Program for Women To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org Cc: soc-coordinat...@lists.alioth.debian.org Free & Open Source Software Outreach Prog

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
od. > > 4. First off, nothing in that image has anything to do with what the guy > says. At any rate, not wanting to contribute to open source gaming > hardly puts someone in Microsoft's employ. You assume he was saying he thought it true, perhaps he was being sarcastic in th

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-10 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > To be honest, I must admit I found them absolutely useless too in > tiling layout. But in stacked or tabbed ones, how could I see on > what kind of window I'll go if I can not see their titles? (I guess > this is why they are preserved by i3

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver
On Tue, April 9, 2013 6:02 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:28 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:11PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I >> use >> > it for other countries with similar issues

[closed] MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I guess the thread should be closed? I'm not the OP, but I don't care and close it now. I know it's arrogant to do it. If somebody is interested to continue, please do it at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2013-April/date.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/l

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
muslims are terrorists"! > > What happened to this list? > > "MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE" > > Any evidence? > > And again "all muslims are terrorists" was written by me were and when? > > If your sick mind g

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread Joel Roth
Anthony Campbell wrote: > Status bar: in spectrwm you can optionally have no frame at all in > fullscreen when you turn off the status bar. An absolutely minimal > screen. That is the default in Stumpwm. The behavior is similiar to and inspired by GNU screen. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Joel Roth
Ralf Mardorf wrote: Joel Roth wrote: > > Dirk wrote: > > > http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png > > > https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623 > > > > I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus, > > with which I was minimally acquainted. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus > > > > D-B

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 17:44, Anthony Campbell a écrit : On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Interesting. I just would like to notify you of some imprecise expressions which could lead to error: "But I mostly work in stacked mode" you should have speak about stacked layout, since the

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 17:07, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 16:59 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories? 42. Perhaps some Babel fishes would help, since language barriers seem

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> Interesting. > I just would like to notify you of some imprecise expressions which > could lead to error: "But I mostly work in stacked mode" you should > have speak about stacked layout, since the stacking mode is the one > used by most Not

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Yaro Kasear
se of the browser or how you can modify its source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51643692.5040...@marupa.net

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
ainful to a muslin to be compared to a terrorist. It is > painful to me to see the expression "banana republic" (my country was a > banana republic for a long time and it still is in some sense) as a > model of lack of civilization. Maybe you realize now that political > corr

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 16:59 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories? > > 42. Perhaps some Babel fishes would help, since language barriers seem to be not unimportant. And IIRC Deep Thou

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread David Guntner
Yes, sir, the topic at hand is so incredibly relevant to this list! Yup, it's exactly the kind of thing that people who subscribed to it because it's a LIST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT USER-TO-USER SUPPORT OF THE *DEBIAN OPERATING SYSTEM* want to see. Yup, it's sure what those who signed up for a list abou

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati
Em 09-04-2013 11:26, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 16:57, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : Any evidence for all those claims and conspiracy theories? 42. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/968105b34e

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
t; (you might read it, if somebody should quote it)! You're a liar! I guess I'll forward those claims now to the admin of the list! It's not ok to spread lies such as "MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE" and it's not ok to claim that I should have r

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 09/04/13 15:12, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Your response is anything but civilized. It is arrogant, not to say > irrational. You initially used as a model of the uncivilized the "banana > republics", that are just poor countries that are economically exploited > and politically dominated

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 16:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : (I thought it was possible to hide title bars, but while reading the doc it appears that I was wrong... And by reading it with a search on word "title" I just remember that, I was true so, here is the option: "border none". But i

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
vioral > scientist and his work is respected and important. A NAZI? Maybe, maybe > not, but if you call me a NAZI you've got a problem now. Get me?! > > You should respect freedom of expression and stop making conclusions > about me or anybody else. You now behave exactly as the

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Morning Star
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Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 11:12 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > >> Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > >>> This is an international mailing list and the rules should

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 14:13, Anthony Campbell a écrit : I like i3 too, but I find that spectrwm has similar features but is better in some respects. I have a comparison of i3, dwm, xmonad, and spectrwm on my blog at http://www.acampbell.org.uk/serendipity/index.php?/archives/609-Four-tiling-window-manag

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati
Em 09-04-2013 08:38, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized and not taken from banana republics. I don't like offtopic subject

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
; is also a very vague term ;), but I also wrote about "witch-hunting" ... a witch isn't male, so also a wrong term? ;D So, office work is finished, I go off-line within the next minutes and try to make music with "SABOTAGE(D) OPEN SOURCE" only. Btw. what's wro

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:23:11PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I use > it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people > won't call Islamic nations that kill their own and other people "banana > republic". Wh

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 08:07 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > Bzzzt. Wrong. Check out the Wikipedia article on banana > republics. That's a description of the term "banana republic", but colloquial I use it for other countries with similar issues too. In Germany most people won't call Islamic nation

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 09 Apr 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Well, I know that i3 is very active (as I said, I really like this > software, and it is, in my opinion, one of the best I have used in > all categories: easiness of config, lightweight, features only > related to its job...), and the commun

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 04:26:59 -0700 "Weaver" wrote: > > On Mon, April 8, 2013 6:56 pm, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > > Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > >> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be > >> civilized and not taken from banana republics. > > > > I d

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:27 -0500, Yaro Kasear wrote: > 1. Complaining about a minor inconvenient feature change (Moving most of > the save functionality into "export" mode. Annoying, but hardly a > dealbreaking move.). Never mind that I find GIMP's new interfact > introduced in 2.8 is a vast im

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 17:07 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 04:49:40AM +, Dirk wrote: > > http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png > > https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623 > > I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus, > with which I was minimally acquainted. > > https:/

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 22:56 -0300, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: > > This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized > > and not taken from banana republics. > > I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be c

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver
On Mon, April 8, 2013 6:56 pm, João Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: >> This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized >> and not taken from banana republics. > > I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civiliz

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-09 Thread Weaver
On Mon, April 8, 2013 2:18 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:35 -0700, Weaver wrote: >> So! >> Are we saying that the policy by which devs are included into core >> function needs looking at, from a Q.A. viewpoint? >> Do we even have one? >> If not, this may very well be a good pl

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 07:24, Joel Roth a écrit : Sounds like you've got a Big Picture(tm) vision to create! Yes, I know, but modern softwares globally tends to integrate features they should not, and if no-one does a software with clear objectives to restrict this problem, it will never change. Some

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-08 Thread Joel Roth
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 09.04.2013 00:58, Joel Roth a écrit : > >berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > >>Now, I am not using a DE anymore, and also planning about creating a > >>DE based on a tiling WM and minimalistic tools that you can use in > >>keyboard only. > > > >There a

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread Yaro Kasear
e's more market for end users than anything else in web browsers. And I say this working in a company that runs on a lot of web technology. Dissent with critics is a normal part of software development and hardly proof someone works for Microsoft. 4. First off, nothing in that imag

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 04:49:40AM +, Dirk wrote: > http://i.imgur.com/6Oja0bm.png > https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/32881623 I wondered about this. Looking at one example: D-Bus, with which I was minimally acquainted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus D-Bus has replaced Bonobo (originated

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati
Em 08-04-2013 08:03, Ralf Mardorf escreveu: This is an international mailing list and the rules should be civilized and not taken from banana republics. I don't like offtopic subjects, but since I am supposed to be civilized in this international mailing list I have to ask what are the standar

Re: Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.04.2013 00:58, Joel Roth a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now, I am not using a DE anymore, and also planning about creating a DE based on a tiling WM and minimalistic tools that you can use in keyboard only. There are a lot of tiling WMs to choose from: https://wiki.ar

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:30:48AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > users to open the window to reach and eat an apple, when they were > warned that it was the devil's fruit of hidden stuff! > > This is why we must only teach Python, Bash and C programming, and > forgot all other curs

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread berenger . morel
ill retrieve and unite all of the sacred laws, we will see the great source code of universe, and all our programmers will start the final battle against all bugs, memory leaks, security failures, obfuscation and other redemond's limbs... This is why we must only teach Python, Bash and C progra

Tiling window manager based desktop environment (was: Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE)

2013-04-08 Thread Joel Roth
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Now, I am not using a DE anymore, and also planning about creating a > DE based on a tiling WM and minimalistic tools that you can use in > keyboard only. There are a lot of tiling WMs to choose from: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Comparison_of_Tilin

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 13:35 -0700, Weaver wrote: > So! > Are we saying that the policy by which devs are included into core > function needs looking at, from a Q.A. viewpoint? > Do we even have one? > If not, this may very well be a good place to start. I'm against Quality Assurance, IMO Linux nee

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread Weaver
On Mon, April 8, 2013 12:29 pm, agroconsultor0 wrote: > On 08/04/13 06:26 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> >> But!! >> Because there is a but! >> Who made this image? Did this person contributed *any* line of code? >> How could MS introduce enough people in core dev teams to have the >>

Re: MICROSOFT HIRED THESE PEOPLE TO SABOTAGE OPEN SOURCE

2013-04-08 Thread agroconsultor0
On 08/04/13 06:26 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: But!! Because there is a but! Who made this image? Did this person contributed *any* line of code? How could MS introduce enough people in core dev teams to have the possibility to make the majority of votes about integrating stuff or

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