Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 09:42:10AM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: > All that's why I consider systemd so insidious. It forces you to use it > whether you want to or not. Something Microsoft has been doing to > their users for decades. ;-) You started this thread with > I don't like systemd

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-04 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 22:15:18 +0100 didier gaumet wrote: > Le 04/03/2017 à 16:19, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > > > I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox. > [...] > > also looked at AntiX and mx-16. They are systemd free, too, but as > > with Devuan both are based

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-04 Thread didier gaumet
Le 04/03/2017 à 16:19, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox. [...] > also looked at AntiX and mx-16. They are systemd free, too, but as with > Devuan both are based on Jessie.. [...] last stable version available, five years support and systemd-free but not

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

2017-03-04 Thread songbird
GiaThnYgeia wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX > > [antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which itself > is based on the Debian stable distribution. It initially replaced the > MEPIS KDE desktop environment with the Fluxbox and IceWM window > managers, making it

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

2017-03-04 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 11:38:00 + GiaThnYgeia wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX > > [antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which > [snip] Aware of it. Also mx-16 is a systemd-free distro put together by former Mepis and AntiX

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-04 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 22:24:46 +0100 (CET) Aquarius wrote: > Maybe Devuan would meet your requirements of using the init system > you would like to use. It is not on Stretch yet but on Jessie. I'm aware of Devuan and tested it in VirtualBox. At the time ( a year ago), it was

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd? AntiX

2017-03-04 Thread GiaThnYgeia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX [antiX is a Linux distribution, originally based on MEPIS, which itself is based on the Debian stable distribution. It initially replaced the MEPIS KDE desktop environment with the Fluxbox and IceWM window managers, making it suitable for older, less powerful

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread Aquarius
Maybe Devuan would meet your requirements of using the init system you would like to use. It is not on Stretch yet but on Jessie. -- Securely sent with Tutanota. Claim your encrypted mailbox today! https://tutanota.com 3. Mar 2017 20:21 by wande...@fastmail.fm: > On 2017-03-03 at 13:00, Reco

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-03-03 at 13:00, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:25:13 -0500 > The Wanderer wrote: > >> systemd as the init system is provided by the systemd-sysv package. I >> have that package pinned to never install in /etc/preferences: >> >> Package:

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-03-03 at 12:42, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:25:13 -0500 The Wanderer > wrote: > >> On 2017-03-02 at 13:01, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >>> I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade >>> of my aging Wheezy desktop setup as well

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:25:13 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: > systemd as the init system is provided by the systemd-sysv package. I > have that package pinned to never install in /etc/preferences: > > Package: systemd-sysv > Pin: version * > Pin-Priority: -1 > >

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:25:13 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-03-02 at 13:01, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade of > > my aging Wheezy desktop setup as well as to install on a new > > notebook I've yet to decide

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:47:05 +0100 wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:01:17AM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade of > > my aging Wheezy desktop setup as well as

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-03-02 at 13:01, Patrick Bartek wrote: > I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade of > my aging Wheezy desktop setup as well as to install on a new notebook > I've yet to decide on. I don't like systemd (why is unimportant to > this query). I plan to use some other

Re: Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 10:01:17AM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: > I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade of my > aging Wheezy desktop setup as well as to install on a new notebook I've > yet to decide on. I don't like

Stretch & Safely Replacing systemd?

2017-03-02 Thread Patrick Bartek
I've been considering Stretch as a clean install or dist-upgrade of my aging Wheezy desktop setup as well as to install on a new notebook I've yet to decide on. I don't like systemd (why is unimportant to this query). I plan to use some other init system, probably runit. So ... Just how