Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 07:08:54AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Tom H wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > > wrote: > >> In , Tom H wrote: > >>>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > wrote: >> In , Tom H wrote: >>>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for a desktop" if you go with

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In , Tom H wrote: >>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: >>> >>> With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for >>> a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server >>> packages

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/2011 06:39 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens  wrote: >>> >>> With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for >>> a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server >>>

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In , Tom H wrote: >On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: >> With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for >> a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server >> packages and what ones are desktop packages? > >Server = X-less so WM-less, DE-les

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20110406231712.gb7...@aurora.owens.net>, Rob Owens wrote: >With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for >a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server >packages and what ones are desktop packages? According to documents on Canonical's site, ther

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-06 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, On 07/04/11 01:58, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/2011 06:39 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server packages and what ones

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/06/2011 06:39 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server packages and what ones are desktop packages? I don't know. It would b

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > With Ubuntu (I believe) you get "5 years for a server" and "3 years for > a desktop" if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server > packages and what ones are desktop packages? I don't know. It would be > nice to see a list somewhere.

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-06 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:15:26PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/05/2011 05:37 PM, Mark wrote: > [snip] > >upgrading. For all its flaws, one nice thing about Windows is that it > >has a 10-year (14-year for XP) support cycle, so while there may be > >service packs, etc., to the end user, the i

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:37:16PM -0700, Mark wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > > > wrote: > > > > On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-05 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/05/2011 05:37 PM, Mark wrote: > [snip] >> upgrading. For all its flaws, one nice thing about Windows is that it >> has a 10-year (14-year for XP) support cycle, so while there may be >> service packs, etc., to the end user, the interface is

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In , Tom H wrote: >On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > wrote: >> Someone that doesn't necessarily want to upgrade on Debian's schedule. >> With Ubuntu, you can get 5 years, as opposed to Debian's ~3 years. With >> SLE* you can get 10 years. I'm not sure about RHEL, but I thi

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-05 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 06:15:26PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/05/2011 05:37 PM, Mark wrote: > [snip] > >upgrading. For all its flaws, one nice thing about Windows is that it > >has a 10-year (14-year for XP) support cycle, so while there may be > >service packs, etc., to the end user, the i

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:37:16PM -0700, Mark wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > All fine pointshere you go: > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Ubuntu Versions

2011-04-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/05/2011 05:37 PM, Mark wrote: [snip] upgrading. For all its flaws, one nice thing about Windows is that it has a 10-year (14-year for XP) support cycle, so while there may be service packs, etc., to the end user, the interface is virtually the same for 10 years. I realize that not upgradin

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Someone that doesn't necessarily want to upgrade on Debian's schedule.  With > Ubuntu, you can get 5 years, as opposed to Debian's ~3 years.  With SLE* you > can get 10 years.  I'm not sure about RHEL, but I think it is roughly a SL

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > 10. Can I install server packages on an Ubuntu Desktop installation > and vice versa? > > Yes – Ubuntu’s flexibility makes it easy. The Ubuntu software repositories > do not isolate packages to particular types of deployments. All th

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Mark
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > > wrote: > > > On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: > > >> > > >>Are we seriously going to argue about which version

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > wrote: > > On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: > >> > >>Are we seriously going to argue about which version of Ubuntu is > >>supported for how long? > > > > I think it

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Matt Harrison
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: >>On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. >> wrote: >>> On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On 2011-04-

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: >On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > wrote: >> On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: >>>On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: >> If you need more support tha

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Matt Harrison
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: >>On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >>> On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: > If you need more support than Debian provides and<= 5 years, install an >

Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: >On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and<= 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. >>> >>> Just to clarify, Ubuntu LTS releases are 5 years