Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian (and xtoolwait)

2017-12-02 Thread David Wright
On Fri 01 Dec 2017 at 21:52:33 (+0100), deloptes wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > Non-the-less, it's not something that many people will have attempted, > > and there are quite likely to be things that might slip through the net. > > Not just things within the Debian ecosystem: a machine run

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-12-01 Thread deloptes
Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Non-the-less, it's not something that many people will have attempted, > and there are quite likely to be things that might slip through the net. > Not just things within the Debian ecosystem: a machine running Lenny was > presumably installed in or around 2009, so there'

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-12-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 08:06:10PM +0100, deloptes wrote: The release and upgrade notes are sufficient they state upgrade to next release and then to next release. Non-the-less, it's not something that many people will have attempted, and there are quite likely to be things that might slip thro

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-30 Thread davidson
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, deloptes wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: however, someone upgrading from such a long release ago is not something that will have been thoroughly tested and it's quite possible that an old init script that was modified (and therefore won't be replaced by package upgrades) co

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-29 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/29/2017 04:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +, Richard Zimmerman wrote: I'm pretty new to the Debian list here Welcome aboard! but over on the CentOS list I'm on, migrating from init system to systemd isn't for the faint of heart as I understand it.

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-29 Thread deloptes
Jonathan Dowland wrote: > however, someone upgrading > from such a long release ago is not something that will have been > thoroughly tested and it's quite possible that an old init script that > was modified (and therefore won't be replaced by package upgrades) could > come along for the ride and

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-29 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/29/2017 01:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +, Richard Zimmerman wrote: I'm pretty new to the Debian list here Welcome aboard! but over on the CentOS list I'm on, migrating from init system to systemd isn't for the faint of heart as I understand it.

RE: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-29 Thread Richard Zimmerman
>Backup the data to an external usb drive or the whole source drive if you >are keen on that, for example. Then do a "clean" install of a new system > on the original drive. Otherwise you might run into issues, where you >might miss out on an important package, if you snapshot upgrade one >by on

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-29 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +, Richard Zimmerman wrote: I'm pretty new to the Debian list here Welcome aboard! but over on the CentOS list I'm on, migrating from init system to systemd isn't for the faint of heart as I understand it. There's more of a culture of upgrade rather th

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Michael Fothergill
> > >> >>> >>> >> >>> As a friendly recommendation: > If it was about me, I would encourage to backup the home directories as > well as mail or similar, depending what other kind of services running > under the particular system. > > Backup the data to an external usb drive or the whole source driv

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
2017-11-29 14:45 GMT+08:00 Jan : > > > On 28.11.2017 17:58, The Wanderer wrote: >> >> On 2017-11-28 at 11:53, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:57 -0500 The Wanderer >>> wrote: >>> I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian oldoldoldstable or mayb

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Jan
On 28.11.2017 17:58, The Wanderer wrote: On 2017-11-28 at 11:53, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:57 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently can't upgrade

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/28/2017 08:58 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2017-11-28 at 11:53, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:57 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently can't upgrade

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 28 November 2017 at 19:22, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 28 Nov 2017 at 10:28:57 (-0500), The Wanderer wrote: > > I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian > > oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently > > can't upgrade to newer Debian. > > > >

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 Nov 2017 at 10:28:57 (-0500), The Wanderer wrote: > I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian > oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently > can't upgrade to newer Debian. > > I seem to recall that there *is* a way to do step-wise upgrades

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +, Richard Zimmerman wrote: I'm pretty new to the Debian list here but over on the CentOS list I'm on, migrating from init system to systemd isn't for the faint of heart as I understand it. Well, centos upgrades aren't a particularly useful indicator for

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-11-28 at 11:53, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:57 -0500 The Wanderer > wrote: > >> I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian >> oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who >> consequently can't upgrade to newer Debian. >> >> I seem t

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:57 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: > I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian > oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently > can't upgrade to newer Debian. > > I seem to recall that there *is* a way to do step-wise upgrades of

RE: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Richard Zimmerman
>>The last few steps of this are straightforward; oldoldstable is still >>available in the repos, as far as I'm aware. The first ones are more of >>a problem; if I understand matters correctly, anything prior to >>oldoldstable is removed from the live repos, although its .deb files >>are still

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:55:22AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2017-11-28 at 10:34, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:28:57AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > >> I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-11-28 at 10:34, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:28:57AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian >> oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who >> consequently can't upgrade to newer Debian. > > It's e

Re: Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:28:57AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently can't upgrade to newer Debian. It's easier to say the code name than oldoldoldoldodlodlsdosdld. I

Upgrading from very-old Debian

2017-11-28 Thread The Wanderer
I've run across someone who says her machine is running Debian oldoldoldstable or maybe even oldoldoldoldstable, and who consequently can't upgrade to newer Debian. I seem to recall that there *is* a way to do step-wise upgrades of such old systems, i.e. upgrading from oldoldoldoldstable to oldold