Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-13 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:03:34 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: (please, avoid using html, is quite complex to read your e-mails ;-() On Jul 12, 2011 2:05 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:53:41 +, darkestkhan wrote: 2011/7/11 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net: On

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread Miles Bader
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Another possibility is having an external optical unit, but it requires and extra power supply (that means more cables around) Hmm, actually modern optical external drives don't seem to need a power supply, at least those that run off USB. I bought the

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:53:41 +, darkestkhan wrote: 2011/7/11 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might change. Care about slots for

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:01:29 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Another possibility is having an external optical unit, but it requires and extra power supply (that means more cables around) Hmm, actually modern optical external drives don't seem to need a power

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/11/11 at 01:24pm, Camaleón wrote: Marketing and I follow different ways... I still look for a motherbaord that provides RS-232, LPT and Floppy by default O:-) Just a +1 for RS-232 support. Until desktops start coming with out-of-band management (iLO, etc.) serial is an absolute

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 12, 2011 2:05 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:53:41 +, darkestkhan wrote: 2011/7/11 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/11/11 at 04:47pm, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might change. Care about slots for the future, don't waste time with thinking about

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 18:06, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/11/11 at 04:47pm, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-12 Thread Miles Bader
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: I don't trust USB external enclosures that claim not needing external power other than the common port or that use another USB port to fetch it from there. They tend to lie... well, not they but USB ports which do not always provide the full required voltage

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread mark
On Monday 11 July 2011 12:57:51 am Ralf Mardorf wrote: A last PS ;). If you do office work and browse the Internet you might not need a 64 core CPU ;), so you could safe money to buy a new burner and you you also will safe money in the future, because you reduce the CPU's consumption.

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:09:06 -0400, mark wrote: I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I will have to buy

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 11, 2011 8:05 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:09:06 -0400, mark wrote: I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:10:09 -0400, shawn wilson wrote: On Jul 11, 2011 8:05 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:09:06 -0400, mark wrote: I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Lisi
On Monday 11 July 2011 14:24:36 Camaleón wrote: supplies), fdd, ps/2, etc. And don't forget our floppy best friend! :-)   erm... fdd!=floppy best friend ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:32:45 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Monday 11 July 2011 14:24:36 Camaleón wrote: supplies), fdd, ps/2, etc. And don't forget our floppy best friend! :-)     erm... fdd!=floppy best friend ;-) Ouch! Very true... I read it so fast that missed the small 3 letters O:-)

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread mark
On Monday 11 July 2011 9:24:36 am Camaleón wrote: Another possibility is having an external optical unit, but it requires and extra power supply (that means more cables around) and occupies valuable space. Aha! The cable monster. So far on my desk are: PC, monitor, speaker, telephone,

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: Hi, I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I will have to buy a

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Chris Brennan
On 7/11/2011 2:55 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. Wait! So you can't get floppy drives anymore!?! :P -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A:

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/11/11 at 03:20pm, Chris Brennan wrote: On 7/11/2011 2:55 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. Wait! So you can't get floppy drives anymore!?! :P

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Doug
On 07/11/2011 03:20 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: On 7/11/2011 2:55 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. Wait! So you can't get floppy drives anymore!?! :P Tiger

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 11, 2011 3:30 PM, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't get me started on not being able to find small HDDs anymore :P I've got some 40 meg hdd's on my shelf (think they're SCSI). I'll send you one if you pay up front. I think they're about 8 lbs :) But seriously, I've

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Brian
On Mon 11 Jul 2011 at 14:55:41 -0400, William Hopkins wrote: go sometime (: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. 5.25 or 3.5? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 11, 2011 3:48 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 11 Jul 2011 at 14:55:41 -0400, William Hopkins wrote: go sometime (: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. 5.25 or 3.5? 7.25 :P

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread William Hopkins
On 07/11/11 at 03:47pm, shawn wilson wrote: On Jul 11, 2011 3:30 PM, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't get me started on not being able to find small HDDs anymore :P I've got some 40 meg hdd's on my shelf (think they're SCSI). I'll send you one if you pay up front. I

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Lisi
On Monday 11 July 2011 20:20:06 Chris Brennan wrote: On 7/11/2011 2:55 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. Wait! So you can't get floppy drives anymore!?!

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 11, 2011 4:07 PM, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/11/11 at 03:47pm, shawn wilson wrote: On Jul 11, 2011 3:30 PM, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't get me started on not being able to find small HDDs anymore :P I've got some 40 meg hdd's

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might change. Care about slots for the future, don't waste time with thinking about an IDE connector, the industry has dropped IDE and

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread darkestkhan
2011/7/11 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: A last PS ;). If you do office work and browse the Internet you might not need a 64 core CPU ;), so you could safe money to buy a new burner and you you also will safe money in the future, because you reduce the CPU's consumption. two

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-11 Thread darkestkhan
2011/7/11 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 06:48:28AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might change. Care about slots for the future, don't waste time with thinking about an IDE

Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread mark
Hi, I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I will have to buy a SATA burner? Thanks, Mark -- To

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Dejan Ribič
On 10. 07. 2011 21:09, mark wrote: Hi, I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I will have to buy a SATA

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 10 July 2011 20:09:06 mark wrote:  Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I will have to buy a SATA burner? Or an IDE card? http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dcomputersfield-keywords=IDE+cardx=14y=19 Though a SATA brner might well be

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread shawn wilson
On Jul 10, 2011 3:07 PM, mark m...@neidorff.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer exists. Is no more IDE interface the new direction for PCs so that I

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread mark
On Sunday 10 July 2011 3:14:20 pm Dejan Ribič wrote: You can still get an IDE interface on some motherboards, although it is becoming more and more difficult. Is there any particular reason for wanting/needing IDE? Just to save not getting a new SATA burner. Oh well, that is the way to go.

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Doug
On 07/10/2011 03:33 PM, shawn wilson wrote: On Jul 10, 2011 3:07 PM, mark m...@neidorff.com mailto:m...@neidorff.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for components for a new PC to install debian on. I've been looking at motherboards (MSI Gigabyte) and it seems that the IDE interface no longer

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I agree with the other posters - buy a new burner. +1 Tiger has an IDE 2-port card for $14.95. That's cheaper than buying a couple of DVD burners, if you have them already. How many of the old PCI slots the new mobo has got? If it should have enough old PCI slots, will such a card

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Perhaps you one day will switch from an integrated graphics to a graphics card, since your needs might change. Care about slots for the future, don't waste time with thinking about an IDE connector, the industry has dropped IDE and they are going to drop PCI too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?

2011-07-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
A last PS ;). If you do office work and browse the Internet you might not need a 64 core CPU ;), so you could safe money to buy a new burner and you you also will safe money in the future, because you reduce the CPU's consumption. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to