Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-06-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It's also worth pointing out that the effort that some people see as > > being wasted on other ports actually benefits the distribution as a > > whole in the long run. For example, somebody

Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-06-01 Thread Joey Hess
Brian Nelson wrote: > Well, I'm not a dev and I could be wrong, but I seem to remember lots > and lots of RC bugs a few months ago were due to packages failing to > build on hppa. Looking at the old RC bug reports, this appears to be > true. Since all of those bugs had to be fixed, I can only ass

Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-06-01 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:57:45PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's a rather odd presumption. Do you real debian-devel-announce? You > > can find out exactly what kept debian from releasing on any given month. > > Hint: You won't find any desperate calls

Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson wrote: >> Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for months due to >> problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an hppa machine >> for testing. > > That's a rather odd presumption. Do you real debian-devel-announce? You > can f

Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-05-31 Thread Paul E Condon
My two comments on this thread: 1. The lack of an official release doesn't seem to have kept users from using Woody. An actual "Official Release" is a nice way to keep the organization organized, and is therefore good. But Debian is such an open organization that i386 users who are impatient, are

Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-05-31 Thread Joey Hess
Brian Nelson wrote: > Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for months due to > problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an hppa machine > for testing. That's a rather odd presumption. Do you real debian-devel-announce? You can find out exactly what kept debian from releasing o

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread ben
On Friday 31 May 2002 03:27 pm, Brian Nelson wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [snip] > > > Fundamentally, Debian is committed to being a multi-architecture system > > for as long as porters are willing to support it. The Project Leader > > posted to debian-devel-announce about

Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

2002-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's also worth pointing out that the effort that some people see as > being wasted on other ports actually benefits the distribution as a > whole in the long run. For example, somebody complained a while back > about the number of bugs filed because pack

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > Fundamentally, Debian is committed to being a multi-architecture system > for as long as porters are willing to support it. The Project Leader > posted to debian-devel-announce about porting a couple of weeks ago, and > summed up the issues quite n

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:06:48PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Yes. I've had to do the odd security update of my own packages in the > > past, and I had to build packages for every architecture by hand. > > Finding Debian-administered machines of the ri

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:12:01PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:53, Colin Watson wrote: >> > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:41:05AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> > > Isn't the issue regarding "a better way to do security releases" >> >

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:12:01PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:53, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:41:05AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Isn't the issue regarding "a better way to do security releases" > > > one of the big reasons why v3.0 hasn't been r

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:53, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:41:05AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:05, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:41:40AM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > > > So, is it time to add a Security source to my /etc/apt/sources.lis

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:41:05AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:05, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:41:40AM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > > So, is it time to add a Security source to my /etc/apt/sources.list > > > for Woody? > > > > There is none yet. > > Isn't

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:05, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:41:40AM -0700, Jeff wrote: > > Colin Watson, 2002-May-30 10:30 +0100: > > > The woody distribution has been frozen since 1 May. The only things > > > you'll see in it before (and after) release now are security updates, >

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:41:40AM -0700, Jeff wrote: > Colin Watson, 2002-May-30 10:30 +0100: > > The woody distribution has been frozen since 1 May. The only things > > you'll see in it before (and after) release now are security updates, > > and perhaps the odd other upgrade that the release man

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-31 Thread Jeff
Colin Watson, 2002-May-30 10:30 +0100: > > The woody distribution has been frozen since 1 May. The only things > you'll see in it before (and after) release now are security updates, > and perhaps the odd other upgrade that the release manager considers > critical. So, is it time to add a Securit

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 04:30, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:09:57AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 03:57, Colin Watson wrote: [snip] > The woody distribution has been frozen since 1 May. The only things > you'll see in it before (and after) release now are sec

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:09:57AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 03:57, Colin Watson wrote: > > The "not upgraded" isn't a total over all packages; it refers to > > packages where apt knows about a newer version but isn't upgrading it > > for other reasons. For example, I have k

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 03:57, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:16:01PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Why does "apt-get -u -d upgrade" suddenly say "and 0 not upgraded"? > > It should say "886 not upgraded". (It worked ~1 week ago, when last > > I refreshed my machine.) > > The "no

Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:16:01PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Why does "apt-get -u -d upgrade" suddenly say "and 0 not upgraded"? > It should say "886 not upgraded". (It worked ~1 week ago, when last > I refreshed my machine.) The "not upgraded" isn't a total over all packages; it refers to pac

Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

2002-05-29 Thread Ron Johnson
Hi, all. Why does "apt-get -u -d upgrade" suddenly say "and 0 not upgraded"? It should say "886 not upgraded". (It worked ~1 week ago, when last I refreshed my machine.) TIA, Ron # apt-get update && apt-get -u -d upgrade Get:1 http://non-us.debian.org woody/non-US/main Packages [47.6kB] Get:2