Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-23 Thread Joe
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:55:55 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: You miss the point of sid. It's not a distribution the way Wheezy is. It's a place to put packages for testing before they enter into the general testing pool. Testing against sid is almost useless when you really want

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 06/22/2012 04:15 AM, Greg Madden wrote: 1. 'APT::Default Release' in '/etc/apt/apt.conf I think apt.conf is no longer there... At least its long since last time i saw it... I just created a file in apt.conf.d/00default with such directive greets! aL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:07:44 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: What's what you want to get? I want to get again a testing/sid system, but this shall be my first time to upgrade from testing/sid to 'newer' testing/sid. I'm a feared what could happen with my

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 22/06/12 10:17 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:07:44 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: Camaleónnoela...@gmail.com writes: What's what you want to get? I want to get again a testing/sid system, but this shall be my first time to upgrade from testing/sid to 'newer' testing/sid. I'm a

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 11:03:48 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: He'd better comment out the sid lines or he'll still be getting mainly sid. Unless you want to test sid - something that I can't imagine anyone doing - you should only use sid to install certain packages that you want to test

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread John Hasler
Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 10:56:04 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. I'm not too sure about daily or

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread John Hasler
Brian writes: I'm not too sure about daily or regular updates being silly as opposed to unnecessary... Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. How do you deal with security updates? Subscribe to the relevant mailing

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 22/06/12 01:12 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 10:56:04 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. I'm

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Mika Suomalainen
On 22.06.2012 20:47, John Hasler wrote: Brian writes: I'm not too sure about daily or regular updates being silly as opposed to unnecessary... Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. How do you deal with security

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Mika Suomalainen
On 22.06.2012 20:59, Mika Suomalainen wrote: On 22.06.2012 20:47, John Hasler wrote: Brian writes: I'm not too sure about daily or regular updates being silly as opposed to unnecessary... Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
John Hasler: Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. I do that for a couple of (+5) years now and didn't have many problems yet. But

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 22/06/12 02:31 PM, Jochen Spieker wrote: John Hasler: Gary Dale writes: Running pure sid like he seems to be is just nuts. I've been running pure Sid since it was invented. Works fine. Of course it would be silly to run Sid and do daily updates. I do that for a couple of (+5) years now

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Gary, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: It doesn't help testing since the point of packages in sid is to get them to work with the current testing environment, not the current unstable environment. This is more or less obviously absolute bullshit. Running sid, testing applications

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 12:47:58 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Brian writes: I'm not too sure about daily or regular updates being silly as opposed to unnecessary... Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. And leaving the

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 13:55:55 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: You miss the point of sid. It's not a distribution the way Wheezy is. It's a place to put packages for testing before they enter into the general testing pool. Testing against sid is almost useless when you really want to know if

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Gary Dale
On 22/06/12 02:52 PM, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Gary, Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote: It doesn't help testing since the point of packages in sid is to get them to work with the current testing environment, not the current unstable environment. This is more or less obviously absolute

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Gary, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: Again, the art of testing is to change one thing at a time. You can't do that when all the packages are in flux. Pulling particular packages from sid and testing them in the relative calm of testing is a much more easier way to isolate bugs.

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 21:39:29 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: Again, the art of testing is to change one thing at a time. You can't do that when all the packages are in flux. Pulling particular packages from sid and testing them in the relative calm of

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. Brian writes: And leaving the updating for an extended period won't? Did I say you should? -devel warns you about transitions and similar events that mean that it would be

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 15:50:07 -0500, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: Daily and/or automatic updates when running Sid are silly because sooner or later they will get you in trouble. Brian writes: And leaving the updating for an extended period won't? Did I say you should? No. But but

What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Csanyi Pal
Hi, I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state when testing come to stable? -- Regards from Pal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Andy Hawkins
Hi, In article 87txy4iqik@gmail.com, Csanyi Palcsanyi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state when testing come to stable? What lines do you have in your sources.list? Do you refer to

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:27 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. You mean a mix of both? What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state when testing come to stable? What's what you want to get? I use testing (not wheezy) as codename in

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Csanyi Pal
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:27 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. You mean a mix of both? What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state when testing come to stable? What's what you want to get? I

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Gary Dale
On 21/06/12 04:07 PM, Csanyi Pal wrote: Camaleónnoela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:27 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. You mean a mix of both? What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state when testing come to

Re: What to do when testing come to stable on a Debian wheezy/sid?

2012-06-21 Thread Greg Madden
On Thursday 21 June 2012 12:07:44 pm Csanyi Pal wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:27 +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: I'm running Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid system. You mean a mix of both? What must I do to keep the system in it's relative usable state