Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-15 Thread Hanspeter Kunz
On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 18:49 -0500, Johan Kullstam wrote: Hanspeter Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Johan, I am using the radeon driver supplied with xfree86 4.3 in debian/sid. I can set the display to 1400x1050 but there is a band about an inch or so (roughly 100-200 pixels in

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-14 Thread Matt Barry
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 17:08 +, Thomas Adam wrote: --- Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that because of the Xorg/XFree86 issue, more and more people are saying that they *do* need Xorg,

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-14 Thread Hanspeter Kunz
Hi Johan, I am using the radeon driver supplied with xfree86 4.3 in debian/sid. I can set the display to 1400x1050 but there is a band about an inch or so (roughly 100-200 pixels in width) along the rightmost edge where the picture is distorted by odd shadings. On my Sony Z1, radeon card,

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-14 Thread Johan Kullstam
Hanspeter Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Johan, I am using the radeon driver supplied with xfree86 4.3 in debian/sid. I can set the display to 1400x1050 but there is a band about an inch or so (roughly 100-200 pixels in width) along the rightmost edge where the picture is distorted

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Thomas Dickey
Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (uppercase drivel deleted). You didn't state that you tested with XFree86 4.4 - which is the appropriate comparison. Comparing with 4.3 is not. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:59 +, Thomas Dickey wrote: Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (uppercase drivel deleted). Maybe you should spend more time reading such drivel and less time spewing drivel, eh? You didn't state that you tested with XFree86 4.4 - which is the appropriate

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Thomas Dickey
Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=-yzVPeN7Rs2DZ/D3emZNd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:59 +, Thomas Dickey wrote: Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (uppercase drivel deleted). Maybe you should spend more

Re: X.org ----- Xfree [SOLVED]

2004-12-13 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:21:00 -, Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --=-yzVPeN7Rs2DZ/D3emZNd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:59 +, Thomas Dickey wrote: Johan Kullstam [EMAIL

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Micha Feigin
At 12 Dec 2004 16:08:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam wrote: Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that because of the Xorg/XFree86 issue, more and more

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Johan Kullstam
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 12 Dec 2004 16:08:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam wrote: Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that

Re: X.org ----- Xfree [SOLVED]

2004-12-13 Thread Thomas Dickey
Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you both take this off-list and save us dusting off our killfiles? actually I only saw that spew as I was looking for bug reports. My regards to the slashdotters. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- To

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-13 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:53:03 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [1 text/plain (quoted-printable)] On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 12:59 +, Thomas Dickey wrote: Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (uppercase drivel deleted). Maybe you should spend more time reading such drivel and less time

Re: X.org ----- Xfree [SOLVED]

2004-12-13 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Monday 13 December 2004 05:35 pm, Thomas Dickey wrote: actually I only saw that spew as I was looking for bug reports. My regards to the slashdotters. I hate to ask, but: what spew? -- Kirk Strauser pgpi1u2QudRV0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-12 Thread James Vahn
Vin Jacob wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:49:44AM -0800, James Vahn wrote: I'm wondering if it supports the ATI IGP 340M on my laptop (hp ze5607wm) because XFree86 has no DRI on that chip. Must be going blind, I can't find any chipset support info at x.org... Yes, I have the same card,

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-12 Thread Thomas Adam
--- Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that because of the Xorg/XFree86 issue, more and more people are saying that they *do* need Xorg, just because it is available. I bet you, you'd have made do

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-12 Thread Johan Kullstam
Thomas Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. I find it more interesting that because of the Xorg/XFree86 issue, more and more people are saying that they *do* need Xorg, just because it is

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-12 Thread Vin Jacob
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 10:01:09AM -0800, James Vahn wrote: Vin Jacob wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:49:44AM -0800, James Vahn wrote: I'm wondering if it supports the ATI IGP 340M on my laptop (hp ze5607wm) because XFree86 has no DRI on that chip. Must be going blind, I can't find any

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-12 Thread James Vahn
Vin Jacob wrote: I am running a custom compiled 2.6.9, with CONFIG_DRM=y and CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y that could be why it just worked. The kernel config is at http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.9drm and the xorg.conf at http://gpoppy.org/xorg.conf Custom 2.6.9 kernel here too. glxgears shows this:

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-11 Thread James Vahn
Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) I'm wondering if it supports the ATI IGP 340M on my laptop (hp ze5607wm) because XFree86 has no DRI on that chip. Must be going

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-11 Thread Vin Jacob
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:49:44AM -0800, James Vahn wrote: Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) I'm wondering if it supports the ATI IGP 340M on my laptop (hp

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-11 Thread Johan Kullstam
Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Is X.org better than Xfree ?? No. It's different. Someday it may be better, for some values of better, but not yet. Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? Xorg

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 07:40:53PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: The three points I know of why X.Org is better: 2. X.Org has real transparency support (I think its called translucency in this context). Eeww.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:05 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 07:40:53PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: The three points I know of why X.Org is better: 2. X.Org has real transparency support (I think its called translucency in this context). Eeww.. They aren't

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 11:27 +, Jon Dowland wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:05 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 07:40:53PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: The three points I know of why X.Org is better: 2. X.Org has real transparency

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 16:32 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:02:41PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: ... which is annoying since this means that some new machines are not supported by the official Debian release. I've already posted my Debian should release far more often

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Ralph Crongeyer
On Thursday 09 December 2004 07:48 am, Raymond A. Meijer wrote: On Thu 9 December 2004 14:15, Vinu Jacob wrote: Anxiously awaiting inclusion of xorg to sid. (Hence awaiting a sarge release as well ;-/) You could also use the packages from Ubuntu Linux. I added these lines to

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-10 Thread Jon Dowland
Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:05 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 07:40:53PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: The three points I know of why X.Org is better: 2. X.Org has real transparency support (I think its called translucency in this context). Eeww..

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:42:34PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: Xorg will wait until Sarge+1 (namely, Etch). You don't need it anyway. Based on precedent, someone will in fact package Xorg for Sarge, but it won't be part of the official release. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Steve Lamb
Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:42:34PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: Based on precedent, someone will in fact package Xorg for Sarge, but it won't be part of the official release. Will? Has. Search for xorg on apt-get.org. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 02:27 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:42:34PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: Based on precedent, someone will in fact package Xorg for Sarge, but it won't be part of the official release. Will? Has. Search for xorg on

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 11:16 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Vinu Jacob
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? Roelof try

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 03:23, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 02:27 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Will? Has. Search for xorg on apt-get.org. ;) Haven't you heard of past-tense will? grin Only when Data finally took Picard's statement the other way. ;) -- Steve Lamb [EMAIL

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Raymond A. Meijer
On Thu 9 December 2004 14:15, Vinu Jacob wrote: Anxiously awaiting inclusion of xorg to sid. (Hence awaiting a sarge release as well ;-/) You could also use the packages from Ubuntu Linux. I added these lines to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Thomas Adam
--- Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) Version Number Syndrome. This all too common condition occurs when the person involved assumes that highrt

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2004-12-09 04:55:56 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:42:34PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: Xorg will wait until Sarge+1 (namely, Etch). You don't need it anyway. Based on precedent, someone will in fact package Xorg for Sarge, but it won't be part of the official

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Thursday 09 December 2004 05:16, Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) In a nutshell, X.org was created because the XFree86 people wouldn't accept patches from

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread vin
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:22:55AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2004 05:16, Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) So, if you're completely

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Kirk Strauser wrote: On Thursday 09 December 2004 05:16, Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) In a nutshell, X.org was created because the XFree86 people wouldn't accept

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Micha Feigin
At Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:16:49 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:16:49AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml -- To

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-09 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:02:41PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: ... which is annoying since this means that some new machines are not supported by the official Debian release. I've already posted my Debian should release far more often rant here, probably too many times. -- Carl Fink

X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-08 Thread Roelof Wobben
Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone hasX.orggetting on work with debianSarge ?? Roelof

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-08 Thread messmate
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:51:47 +0100 Roelof Wobben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I heard a lot about X.org en thatin some distro's X.org wil replace Xfree. Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? Roelof Not yet, maybe never. mess-mate --

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-08 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Wednesday 08 December 2004 12:51, Roelof Wobben wrote: Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Yes. Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? If you're asking if X.org will be packaged for Sarge: yes, although it might take a while. -- Kirk Strauser pgphuUTpWAr9X.pgp

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 14:18 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Wednesday 08 December 2004 12:51, Roelof Wobben wrote: Is X.org better than Xfree ?? Yes. Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? If you're asking if X.org will be packaged for Sarge: yes, although it

Re: X.org ----- Xfree

2004-12-08 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: Is X.org better than Xfree ?? No. It's different. Someday it may be better, for some values of better, but not yet. Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? Xorg will wait until Sarge+1 (namely, Etch). You