Re: Determining FQDN (was Re: Yow, Madduck!)

2002-01-12 Thread dman
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:05:42PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote: | Lo, on Thursday, January 10, dman did write: | | | | One minor nit to pick from an otherwise very good explanation (and I | wouldn't bother, except that I've been bitten by this before). | | > This directive tells exim to use that

Determining FQDN (was Re: Yow, Madduck!)

2002-01-11 Thread Richard Cobbe
Lo, on Thursday, January 10, dman did write: One minor nit to pick from an otherwise very good explanation (and I wouldn't bother, except that I've been bitten by this before). > This directive tells exim to use that name as the hostname in the SMTP > greeting (HELO/EHLO) instead of that report

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.2336 +0100]: > Right (though I feel that "SMTP clients incapable of SMTP" are just > plain wrong). However the ISP can restrict the hosts (ips) it allows > the bad FQHNs from to be just the IPs it offers to customers. yes, that's a good way to do i

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread dman
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 10:38:07PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: | also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.1859 +0100]: | > Actually, you're kinda lucky that achilles.net accepted the forwarded | > message since the headers indicate that an unknown hostname was in the | > HELO. They could

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Volker Gerstenkorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.1843 +0100]: > Advanced users also need Received: headers to track down spammers. Bad > luck if an open relay doesn't log IP addresses of senders. so then you take the relay's IP and blacklist them with rfc-ignorant.org or any of the R

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.1859 +0100]: > Actually, you're kinda lucky that achilles.net accepted the forwarded > message since the headers indicate that an unknown hostname was in the > HELO. They could have denied it just as martin's system did to your > debian box. (I ass

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.1700 +0100]: > Nex the system web30.achilles.net received the message vis ESMTP from > a host who said it was 'seal' in the EHLO command, but whose IP is > 209.151.2.114 which resolves to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I > didn't think the "@" was legal in a hos

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread dman
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:33:33AM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: | On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:00:06AM -0500, dman wrote: | > Now I'm curious as to what "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" really means -- there | > is no domain "remailer.address" : | > | > I also can't find any name for that "machine.remailer.ad

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread Volker Gerstenkorn
At 17:00 11.01.02, dman wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:02:12AM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: ... | Received: from unknown (HELO machine.remailer.address) (206.99.235.25) | by samaria.achilles.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 04:30:36 - I'd say that your ISP has its 'doze machine misconfi

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread Brenda J. Butler
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:00:06AM -0500, dman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:02:12AM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: > > | Received: from bjb by seal with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) > | id 16OtJ9-0004QT-00; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:28:47 -0500 > | Received: from seal ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [20

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread dman
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:02:12AM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: | Well, I had two drivers in the ROUTERS section, and smarthost | was second with a route_list whose "match-this-pattern" was | *. I moved it above lookuphost and it seems to work. Let's | see if it keeps working and doesn't brea

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:38:44PM -0500, Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: > If you're on a dialup link, why don't you use your > ISP's mail server as a smart host? Let them take > care of your mail delivery. Which is great unless one of your ISP's smarthosts is misconfigured and sends a non-fully-qualifi

RE: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
, 2002 10:38 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Yow, Madduck! also sprach Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0338 +0100]: > If you're on a dialup link, why don't you use your > ISP's mail server as a smart host? Let them take > care of your mail del

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brenda J. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0602 +0100]: > So machine.remailer.address thinks it is getting the message from > web30.achilles.net which can be resolved: should this be sufficient? > Or is the next Received header (Received: from unknown...) trying > to tell me som

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread Brenda J. Butler
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:11:23PM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:42:28PM -0500, dman wrote: > > Clearly you are not using your ISPs system as a smarthost, but have > > setup exim to deliver directly to the remote system. What you need to > > Aha, correct. I think I'

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread dman
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 05:33:50AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: | > Expect questions. | | dman! dman, wake up! dman! It's time for bed here. 11:51pm local time. (are you just getting up for work martin?) -D -- In the way of righteousness there is life; along that path is immortalit

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread dman
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:11:23PM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: | On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:42:28PM -0500, dman wrote: | > Clearly you are not using your ISPs system as a smarthost, but have | > setup exim to deliver directly to the remote system. What you need to | | Aha, correct. I think I'

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brenda J. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0511 +0100]: > Aha, correct. I think I'd like to use my isp as a smarthost. > However, I have messed with my exim configuration and now I'm > afraid to change it. it's quite an easy change. i'll let you figure it out though ;) > > the

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread Brenda J. Butler
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:42:28PM -0500, dman wrote: > Clearly you are not using your ISPs system as a smarthost, but have > setup exim to deliver directly to the remote system. What you need to Aha, correct. I think I'd like to use my isp as a smarthost. However, I have messed with my exim con

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0342 +0100]: > 220 dman.ddts.net ESMTP Exim 3.33 #1 Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:29:31 -0500 > HELO > 250 dman.ddts.net Hello dman at dman.ddts.net [127.0.0.1] > MAIL FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is syntactically correct > RCPT TO: <[EMA

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0338 +0100]: > If you're on a dialup link, why don't you use your > ISP's mail server as a smart host? Let them take > care of your mail delivery. that would be the proper way of doing it. or to get a dynamic host name... -- martin;

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brenda J. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.01.11.0139 +0100]: > I don't have a domain. My isp has one but I don't. My > FQHN is seal (and it's not visible from the internet anyway). it's not FQHN then ;) FQ is fully-qualified, which requires a top-level domain. why not just mak

RE: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
y 10, 2002 7:39 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Yow, Madduck! Martin, I don't have a domain. My isp has one but I don't. My FQHN is seal (and it's not visible from the internet anyway). I send mail from my mail client to local exim for delivery next time I dial u

Re: Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread dman
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:39:16PM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: | On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:06:59PM -0500, Mail Delivery System wrote: | > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | > SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: | > host mail.madduck.net [195.226.187.154]: | > 504 :

Yow, Madduck!

2002-01-10 Thread Brenda J. Butler
Martin, I don't have a domain. My isp has one but I don't. My FQHN is seal (and it's not visible from the internet anyway). I send mail from my mail client to local exim for delivery next time I dial up. exim rewrites the reply-to, from, etc to have the achilles.net, but I guess your software o