Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 00:32 -0500, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 20:03 -0700, charles norwood wrote: Debian stable may be able to run on an unplugged computer Maybe it's because you use Stable? Why I unplug the machine while using Sid, it

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 22:37 -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: solid. Debian stable may be able to run on an unplugged ^ computer any machine can boot and run in the unplugged state,

Re: debian vs redhat -fair

2006-04-06 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 However, Woody (which was released analogous to RH9) was just as rock solid stable as Sarge. I agree completely that we must compare relatively equal systems, but doing so does not change the outcome: Debian Stable lives up to its name. I was

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-06 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 20:03 -0700, charles norwood wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:58 -0700, John wrote: Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and have mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me.

debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread John
Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and have mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me. So, today I tried debian for the first time, and wow, am I impressed. I plan on migrating all my servers, home and office, to

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)
Really great news. I am also shifted here like you :)On 4/6/06, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and havemainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versionshave sort of bothered me.So, today I tried debian for the first

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread charles norwood
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:58 -0700, John wrote: Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and have mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me. So, today I tried debian for the first time, and wow, am I impressed. I

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread Storm
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 23:03, charles norwood wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:58 -0700, John wrote: mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me. So, today I tried debian for the first time, and wow, am I impressed. Snip Under

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
charles norwood wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:58 -0700, John wrote: Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and have mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me. So, today I tried debian for the first time, and wow,

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 20:03 -0700, charles norwood wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 17:58 -0700, John wrote: Hi, just wanted to say I've used various versions of linux, and have mainly stuck with redhat/fedora (yeah, I know), but the latest versions have sort of bothered me. So, today I

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread Kent West
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 20:03 -0700, charles norwood wrote: Debian stable may be able to run on an unplugged computer Maybe it's because you use Stable? Why I unplug the machine while using Sid, it just dies. :) Your /etc/rununplugged.rc file must be hosed.

Re: debian vs redhat

2006-04-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: solid. Debian stable may be able to run on an unplugged ^ computer any machine can boot and run in the unplugged state, otherwise your config is not properly configured but,

Re: debian vs redhat -fair

2006-04-05 Thread Alvin Oga
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: To be fair, RH9 was released 03/31/2003, while Sarge was released 06/06/2005. I would say that a difference of 2+ years would be quite significant in terms of hardware support and general application stability. bingo ... some folks like to

reverse dns lookup problem on ssh debian vs redhat

2004-12-26 Thread Mitchell Laks
Hi! I recently switched to debian Sarge (and sid) for all of my work (YAY I LOVE IT!). Now, until now, I had been using redhat 7.3 for my servers. I have many redhat 7.3 servers, and now, I have installed 2 debian sarge servers (i know it is not yet released, but I have tested it for months

Re: reverse dns lookup problem on ssh debian vs redhat

2004-12-26 Thread Sam Watkins
google ssh reverse dns debian turned up this as the first hit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2002/03/msg00081.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Debian vs RedHat

2003-02-05 Thread Miguel Angel Aguilar Bermejo
Hola Caya, Simplemente decirte si te refieres a mi comentario que tienes razón en parte, yo con la redhat 7.1 estoy entusiasmado, si lees la última revista de PCworld, se hace una comparativa de Versiones de LINUX, a Suse la ponen como la primera con un 8, Debian es el segundo y pierde el

Re: Debian vs Redhat : le dbat ?

2002-11-16 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 04:04:24PM +0100, Alain BACH wrote: * Mon problème de base avec Debian est un problème d’INSTALLATION : ça peut paraître con, mais j’aimerais pouvoir utiliser mon bipro en SMP. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.19-686-smp ou apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.19-smp ou

Re: Debian vs Redhat : le débat ?

2002-11-16 Thread Frédéric Bothamy
* Alain BACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-11-15 16:04] : Bonjour à tous, [...] * Mon problème de base avec Debian est un problème d’INSTALLATION : ça peut paraître con, mais j’aimerais pouvoir utiliser mon bipro en SMP. J’aimerais pouvoir utiliser ma carte Xircom sur mon portable. J’aimerais

Rép. : Debian vs Redhat : le débat ?

2002-11-16 Thread PADOLY Alex
Bonsoir, Pour faire simple et cours , Debian, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse,Connectiva,..sont des distributions qui reposent sur un noyaui Linux Chaque distribution possède quelque spécificité mais cela reste du Linux. Concernant Debian, il s'agit d'une distrution Linux mais aussi un état

Debian vs Redhat : le débat ?

2002-11-15 Thread Alain BACH
Bonjour à tous, Je vois que mes « conclusions » d’hier ont largement contribuées à lancer le débat sur le choix de m’une ou l’autre distributions de Linux. Avant d’aller plus loin, permettez moi de placer mon décor personnel. J’ai ici deux machines : - La première est un portable Compaq Armada

Re: Debian vs Redhat : le débat ?

2002-11-15 Thread kamel
j'aime bien ton mail ( c'est le seul que j'ai lu sur le sujet ). Je pense que tu n'auras aucunes difficulté à installé debian sur ta machine. En tout cas, tu peux essayé tout seul ( tu dis que tu as du temps libre ) car c'est en forgeant qu'on devient forgeron ! N'hésite pas à demander de

RE: Debian vs Redhat : le débat ?

2002-11-15 Thread PRUGNIERES P CAP USEISO
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Debian vs Redhat : le débat ? Bonjour à tous, Je vois que mes « conclusions » d’hier ont largement contribuées à lancer le débat sur le choix de m’une ou l’autre distributions de Linux. Avant d’aller plus loin, permettez moi de placer mon décor personnel. J’ai ici deux

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-21 Thread Paul Mackinney
Roderick Cummings declaimed: ...but I have a dozen or so 486's, IPX's, udb's chugging along Me too. Just because I can! And if I didn't keep the 486 up, what would I do with that perfectly good ISA+microchannel SCSI card? :-) PM -- Paul Mackinney | Another look at Sept 11 [EMAIL

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-15 Thread Paul Smith
%% martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mfk also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.14.2300 +0100]: ...must've been too much LDS back at Berkeley in the '60s mfk no karsten, you messed the order up again! That's a quote from Star Trek IV, actually. --

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-15 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:58:41PM -0500, Paul Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: %% martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mfk also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.14.2300 +0100]: ...must've been too much LDS back at Berkeley in the '60s mfk no

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-14 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 06:40:46PM +0100, martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.12.2203 +0100]: LDS indicates /etc/{init,rc}.d, so RH is coming around to the standard. LDS? LSB? i've not seen LDS, but LSB is the linux

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.14.2300 +0100]: ...must've been too much LDS back at Berkeley in the '60s no karsten, you messed the order up again! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-13 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.12.2203 +0100]: LDS indicates /etc/{init,rc}.d, so RH is coming around to the standard. LDS? LSB? i've not seen LDS, but LSB is the linux standard base, which would be the one dictating this... -- martin; (greetings from

Re: Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 01:07:18AM +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Alec wrote: On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:19 pm, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:26:41PM +0100, martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.09.2217 +0100]: Ok then. When talking about locations of files, paths (/etc/init.d/ vs /etc/rc.d/*) what term would be correct? strictly speaking,

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:46:46PM -0700, Robert L. Harris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm starting a Debian Vs Redhat comparision. At this point I just have the ball rolling. Many other people showed interest so I'm throwing this out for public addition/correction. (We use Solaris

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.12.0835 +0100]: Wrong. Cf: Nemeth, et al, or Frisch. Both cite /etc/{init,rc?}.d. RH invented the rc.d/ directory variant. they sure did. but in 7.0, redhat provided the /etc/init.d symlink, and i believe that 7.2 had it completely

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 01:19:27PM +0100, martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: also sprach Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com [2002.01.12.0835 +0100]: Wrong. Cf: Nemeth, et al, or Frisch. Both cite /etc/{init,rc?}.d. RH invented the rc.d/ directory variant. they sure did.

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-12 Thread Stuart Krivis
--On Saturday, January 12, 2002 13:03:27 -0800 Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: LDS indicates /etc/{init,rc}.d, so RH is coming around to the standard. Mind you, when I try explaining this to my RH friends, there's generally strong resistence to the concept that Dweebian might

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Roderick Cummings
From: Stuart Krivis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: Re: Debian Vs RedHat Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:21:13 -0500 --On Friday, January 11, 2002 00:19:57 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Adam Majer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:22:00AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.2042 +0100]: www.microsoft.com might be able to help ;^ You are more right than you think: every time I run into

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
I forgot where in my mailbox was the original post, but anyway I'll reply. I like the Debian GNU/Linux distribution better than RedHat's for all the good things it all has. Won't say screw RedHat the Co., however. Thankful for them for doing much of the pioneering work for the community (and

Re: Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
Alec wrote: On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:19 pm, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only since recently... but in general, RPM and DEB are really functionally

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 January 2002 11:02 am, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote: I forgot where in my mailbox was the original post, but anyway I'll reply. I like the Debian GNU/Linux distribution better than RedHat's for all the good things it all has. Won't

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Alec
On Friday 11 January 2002 01:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I like Mandrake for being smooth, and up-to-date. I *hate* Mandrake for being RPM-based: after a certain point, you fall so far behind, even when applying updates, that you have to upgrade to the latest version of the product. And let

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 January 2002 12:52 pm, Alec wrote: On Friday 11 January 2002 01:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I like Mandrake for being smooth, and up-to-date. I *hate* Mandrake for being RPM-based: after a certain point, you fall so far behind, even

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paolo Alexis Falcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.1802 +0100]: Won't say screw RedHat the Co., however. Thankful for them for doing much of the pioneering work for the community (and maybe some grata for forcibly dragging us in the future like libc6). Sure they do make rough cuts

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0152 +0100]: i also don't like that packages install all to /usr/local. i can see how ports would do this but i would expect software installed via sysinstall to go to /usr i wouldn't, but its about as useful a discussion as which whisky is best.

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:27:13PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thursday 10 January 2002 05:37 pm, Alec wrote: If RPM is good, why did Debian project feel compelled to create dpkg? dpkg was created back in the early days. Either RPM wasn't written yet, or wasn't the most popular packager.

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:10:51 -0800 Calyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's time to get to Woody? IMO rpm system sucks dependencies are never correct. Debs never have the same problem. Of course, that's a function of the maintainers and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Calyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.0610 +0100]: Linux have another problem in itself... no decently good office suite. have a look at openoffice.org or star office. what do you dislike about them? i prefer openoffice btw, it seems faster... -- martin; (greetings from

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:16:04AM -0500, David B Harris wrote: On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:10:51 -0800 Calyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's time to get to Woody? IMO rpm system sucks dependencies are never correct. Debs never have the same problem. Of course, that's a function

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread David B Harris
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:34:33 -0600 Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, that's a function of the maintainers and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the packaging software involved. :) Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? Yeah. As of a

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: also sprach Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.09.2344 +0100]: Pretty b0rken ATM: stable is way too old for many uses, c.f. debian ;) Bottom line: they both suck, although in different ways. www.microsoft.com might be able to

OT (was Re: Debian Vs RedHat)

2002-01-10 Thread nate
quote who=Dimitri Maziuk You are more right than you think: every time I run into new *nix suckage, all I need to do is remember the time when I worked in Winders shops, and I immediately start feeling better. Microsoft Helps!(tm) yeah me too. about 3 years ago i quit a job at a company

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only since recently... but in general, RPM and DEB are really functionally equivalent. RPM *is* a good packaging system, it's other things which make .rpm based

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1854 +0100]: BTW, I see where you're heading. Yes, obviously, a great build environment will significantly ease a maintainer's burdens. But I still say that it's on the shoulders of the maintainer :) but Debian's FHS-accordance is really

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.2042 +0100]: www.microsoft.com might be able to help ;^ You are more right than you think: every time I run into new *nix suckage, all I need to do is remember the time when I worked in Winders shops, and I immediately start feeling

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Alec
On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:19 pm, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only since recently... but in general, RPM and DEB are really functionally equivalent. RPM *is* a

Re: OT (was Re: Debian Vs RedHat)

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.2049 +0100]: i hear win2000 and XP improves on some issues, but after 8 years of using MS stuff(DOS3.x - NT4) i left and never looked back. i gave them a fair chance, i don't think they deserve another. excuse me? did you *ever* productively

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Stuart Krivis
--On Friday, January 11, 2002 00:19:57 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only since recently... but in general, RPM and DEB are really

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 January 2002 05:37 pm, Alec wrote: [snip] If RPM is good, why did Debian project feel compelled to create dpkg? dpkg was created back in the early days. Either RPM wasn't written yet, or wasn't the most popular packager. - --

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Alec [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0037 +0100]: If RPM is good, why did Debian project feel compelled to create dpkg? how long before DEB did RPM exist? (i don't know the answer. all i know about this is from having participated (and read) discussions on what should be the LSB

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Stuart Krivis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0121 +0100]: I've never felt RPM was as good as DEB. RPM-based distros just don't seem to be as maintainable over the long haul. which i attribute to the FHS-accordance of Debian. really. Personally, I have issues with a binary-based

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread nate
quote who=Stuart Krivis I've never felt RPM was as good as DEB. RPM-based distros just don't seem to be as maintainable over the long haul. Personally, I have issues with a binary-based distribution. I am enamored of the *BSD ports system and buildworld. :-) while ports serve a certain

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Alec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:19 pm, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only since recently... but in general, RPM and DEB

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Adam Majer
On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:22:00AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.2042 +0100]: www.microsoft.com might be able to help ;^ You are more right than you think: every time I run into new *nix suckage, all I need to do is remember the

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0459 +0100]: If people want to complain about MS they can because they cannot fix anything. In unix if it suxs, you fix it so it doesn't suck... Simple enough? :) h! now i get it! thanks! ;^ damn, it's 5am again... -- martin;

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Jesse Goerz
On Thursday 10 January 2002 19:21, Stuart Krivis wrote: --On Friday, January 11, 2002 00:19:57 +0100 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.10.1834 +0100]: Does the RPM build process have an equivalent of dpkg-shlibdeps? only

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread Paul E Condon
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Stuart Krivis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0121 +0100]: I've never felt RPM was as good as DEB. RPM-based distros just don't seem to be as maintainable over the long haul. which i attribute to the FHS-accordance of Debian. really.

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.11.0609 +0100]: For the benefit of a lurking newbie, what is FHS-accordance? the filesystem hierarchy standard[1]. it specifies very exactly where each file of a package *has* to go. that keeps the system very clean. redhat doesn't do that, so

Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Robert L. Harris
I'm starting a Debian Vs Redhat comparision. At this point I just have the ball rolling. Many other people showed interest so I'm throwing this out for public addition/correction. (We use Solaris systems so the SYSV/BSD is a valid point) Please feel free to add on, but lets keep the jokes

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Alec
On Wednesday 09 January 2002 03:46 pm, Robert L. Harris wrote: RedHat: System layout is BSD Nay. IMHO, SysV layout refers to a bunch of symlinks that are called with start or stop arguments, while BSD layout refers to some sort of unified script. I prefer the former and, AFAIK, both RH

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Robert L. Harris
Ok then. When talking about locations of files, paths (/etc/init.d/ vs /etc/rc.d/*) what term would be correct? Thus spake Alec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wednesday 09 January 2002 03:46 pm, Robert L. Harris wrote: RedHat: System layout is BSD Nay. IMHO, SysV layout refers to a

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.09.2146 +0100]: Debian: Server Oriented not necessarily... it's pretty alround if you ask me. and so is redhat, Publicly available 3 tier development cycle (dev, test, production) Publicly available bug archive for testing and

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.09.2217 +0100]: Ok then. When talking about locations of files, paths (/etc/init.d/ vs /etc/rc.d/*) what term would be correct? strictly speaking, /etc/rc.d/* is the proper SysV way, but these days even RedHat uses /etc/{init,rc?}.d

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Michael Jinks
The /etc/rc.d/ construction is, AFAIK, a beast of Red Hat origin. Recent version (starting with 7.x, maybe?) symlink /etc/rc.d/init.d and the various rc#.d directories directly into /etc as a convenience for people who are used to the more traditional SysV layout, but functionally it's always

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread DvB
Robert L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RedHat: snip Bug tracking system is not available for searching While I get the impression that debian's bug system is more open and more widely used, Red Hat does in fact have one at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ which, as you might

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread ben
On Wednesday 09 January 2002 12:46 pm, Robert L. Harris wrote: I'm starting a Debian Vs Redhat comparision. At this point I just have the ball rolling. Many other people showed interest so I'm throwing this out for public addition/correction. (We use Solaris systems so the SYSV/BSD

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Alec
On Wednesday 09 January 2002 04:25 pm, martin f krafft wrote: RedHat: No pre-installed install/update tool (apt) in fact, if you want to use the update service, you'll pay! autorpm Never used it myself, but it is said to provide functionality similar to apt. You can ftp updates for

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Robert L. Harris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: I'm starting a Debian Vs Redhat comparision. Oh no, not another distro war... Debian: Server Oriented Integraged software install/update tool (apt) [a version is available for redhat but requires considerable time/effort

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.01.09.2344 +0100]: Pretty b0rken ATM: stable is way too old for many uses, c.f. debian ;) Bottom line: they both suck, although in different ways. www.microsoft.com might be able to help ;^ -- martin; (greetings from the heart

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 09/01/02 Robert L. Harris did speaketh: Debian: Server Oriented RedHat: Desktop Oriented Wow, I have three Debian desktops and one Debian server. I don't see how Debian is not desktop oriented too. Hell, at least the complex desktop apps install 10 times easier than crawling

Re: Debian Vs RedHat

2002-01-09 Thread Calyth
Perhaps it's time to get to Woody? IMO rpm system sucks dependencies are never correct. Debs never have the same problem. Linux have another problem in itself... no decently good office suite. Calyth

Re: Debian -VS- RedHat, again?

1999-11-02 Thread Mickael Vera
You can add yourself entries in the menus of your window manager. I use fvwm2 and there are hooks in your .fvwmrc2 that allow you to customize your wm. Just read your fvwmrc2 or equivalent, I've never done it but it should be very easy. -- Vera Mickael Stagiaire

Debian -VS- RedHat, again?

1999-10-30 Thread John Gay
I recently picked up PC PLUS magazine, it has great Linux coverage this issue. StarOffice and Netscape 4.7 for Linux Plus loads of other Linux software as well. It also has an interview with Colin Fenwick, VP for RedHat Europe. I almost choked when I read the following quote from him. There are

Re: Debian -VS- RedHat, again?

1999-10-30 Thread Phillip Deackes
John Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently picked up PC PLUS magazine, it has great Linux coverage this issue. StarOffice and Netscape 4.7 for Linux Plus loads of other Linux software as well. It also has an interview with Colin Fenwick, VP for RedHat Europe. I almost choked when I

Re: Debian -VS- RedHat, again?

1999-10-30 Thread Patrick Kirk
Thanks for the tip!

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-29 Thread Peter Ross
On 28-Oct-1999, Salman Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PR == Peter Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PR Yes it does, but it lacks some of the advanced features of apt. What advanced features of apt are you referring to ?? Some of the points I listed at the start of the email message. Pete

RE: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-29 Thread aphro
@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, William T Wilson wrote: DPT raid controller drivers, I know, are distributed in source form. I cannot think of any reason they would work with a RedHat kernel and not a Debian kernel, as RedHat doesn't (AFAIK

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread Peter Ross
On 27-Oct-1999, Bart Szyszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * apt (the tool to keep your distribution up to date), it is by far the best part of Debian. The best bit about it is its ability to get packages from multiple sources and always pick up the latest one. What

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread Jacob Schmude Your Jacob Schmude
It is called update-agent. It can do almost the same things as apt can do. The main difference is that you can only get updates from priority.redhat.com, while apt can get them from any mirror. Update-agent for rh6.1 only runs in an X session. I'd take debian apt-get any day. Peter Ross

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread Bart Szyszka
It is called update-agent. It can do almost the same things as apt can do. The main difference is that you can only get updates from priority.redhat.com, while apt can get them from any mirror. Update-agent for rh6.1 only runs in an X session. I'd take debian apt-get any day. Isn't

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread aphro
i have yet to even touch apt ..whats so good about it ?? i always have used dftp to update my stuff ..works great. nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread Peter Ross
On 27-Oct-1999, aphro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have yet to even touch apt ..whats so good about it ?? You can mix and match the locations where you get the .debs from (including multiple CDs), and it will automatically pick up the latest version. You don't have to use dselect, you can do it

RE: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-28 Thread Adam Greene
] Sent: October 27, 1999 3:16 PM To: William T Wilson Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, William T Wilson wrote: DPT raid controller drivers, I know, are distributed in source form. I cannot think of any reason they would work

RE: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread Paul McHale
other than microsoft. -paul -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 1:07 AMTo: debian-user@lists.debian.orgSubject: just curious about Debian vs Redhat I've used both Debian (at home) and Redhat (at work). Both

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread aphro
i choose debian because.. - it seems to have the largest number of developers - it has BY FAR the most binary packages (2000+ in slink 4000+ in potato) - it is well respected as being a stable and secure linux i have not, do not, and will not choose redhat because .. - many software products

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread Onno
[snip - BEWARE: out of context] i hear mandrake is good though, some have said mandrake is 'redhat done right' ..(somewhere along those lines) [snip - BEWARE: out of context] When an newbie asks me for a Linux distro I give them Mandrake and tell them they can get Debian from me when they

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread William T Wilson
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, aphro wrote: - many software products are designed for it and don't support other distributions, not just software(applications) but drivers too. examples would be drivers for DPT raid controllers and 3com network adapters(the DPT raid controller drivers, I know, are

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread aphro
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, William T Wilson wrote: DPT raid controller drivers, I know, are distributed in source form. I cannot think of any reason they would work with a RedHat kernel and not a Debian kernel, as RedHat doesn't (AFAIK) currently modify the kernel. well,

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread Peter Ross
On 26-Oct-1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used both Debian (at home) and Redhat (at work). Both have reasonable tools for managing software (dpkg for Debian, rpm for Redhat). I've also done upgrades for both Debian and Redhat. The upgrade I did for Debian took several

Re: just curious about Debian vs Redhat

1999-10-27 Thread Bart Szyszka
* apt (the tool to keep your distribution up to date), it is by far the best part of Debian. The best bit about it is its ability to get packages from multiple sources and always pick up the latest one. What about up2date, though? I heard it was a program for Red Hat

debian vs redhat

1999-07-30 Thread Steve Stancliff
Hi all, I use Debian at home. At work we are gradually switching from Windows to Linux, and a redhat system (6 machines) has been running for about 3 months. In a couple of weeks I will be taking over as sysadmin of that system, and due to the way the installation have been over-customized, I

Re: debian vs redhat

1999-07-30 Thread Gareth
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Steve Stancliff wrote: as sysadmin of that system, and due to the way the installation have been over-customized, I am going to reinstall them. am going to try and convince my boss that as long as we are reinstalling, we should switch to Debian. I have my list of

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