Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:17:49AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > That is precisely what we are talking about. > > What you said was "We are talking about files the contents of which are > created by maintainer scripts." My point was that it doesn't matter > what creates it (the

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler wrote: Tim Kelley quotes: On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:53PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > Or even better maybe, four shorewall packages - the current one being > renamed shorewall-common and the others each depending on > shorewall-common and having sample

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Tim Kelley wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:53PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: John Hasler wrote: Or even better maybe, four shorewall packages - the current one being renamed shorewall-common and the others each depending on shorewall-common and having sample configurations for on

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Tim Kelley quotes: On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:53PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > Or even better maybe, four shorewall packages - the current one being > renamed shorewall-common and the others each depending on > shorewall-common and having sample configuratio

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:53PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > Or even better maybe, four shorewall packages - the current one being > renamed shorewall-common and the others each depending on > shorewall-common and having sample configurations for one interface, two >

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler [u] wrote on 25/08/2004 17:23: Frank Küster writes: There are maintainer scripts that create different configuration files, or a different number of configuration files, depending on the existing settings on the installing computer - or depending on debconf answers. Those scripts could

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler wrote: John Summerfield writes: I know shorewall 2.0 as packaged for Debian has an empty /etc/shorewall, but why it shouldn't be full of sample config files containing lots of interesting comments I really don't know. Because you have not filed a bug with a patch containing such

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Colin Watson writes: > What were you planning to do on upgrade? Normally, dpkg would set the > files back to empty. And the postinst will fill them up again (the preinst could save them, but that's ugly). There is no point in discussing this further, though, if dpkg is going to have a registratio

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Frank Küster writes: > There are maintainer scripts that create different configuration files, > or a different number of configuration files, depending on the existing > settings on the installing computer - or depending on debconf answers. Those scripts could remove the files they don't use. --

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Summerfield writes: > I know shorewall 2.0 as packaged for Debian has an empty /etc/shorewall, > but why it shouldn't be full of sample config files containing lots of > interesting comments I really don't know. Because you have not filed a bug with a patch containing such a file. > Even whe

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Frank Küster writes: >> But this would have the consequence that all those files would have to be >> created by dpkg, and clutter /etc. > > No files would be created that were not subsequently filled in by a > maintainer script. I don't know where you ge

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:33:47AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Frank Küster writes: > > But this would have the consequence that all those files would have to be > > created by dpkg, and clutter /etc. > > No files would be created that were not subsequently filled in by a > maintainer script. I d

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Paul Gear writes: > ...when i come to a config file that is important to the running of a > package, i expect that there should be some way to trace it back to the > fact that relates to the package. Please read the thread from the beginning. That is precisely what we are talking about. Evidentl

Sysvconfig was: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Summerfield writes: > I use file-rc. I didn't think that people who know about file-rc and choose to install it would be interested in sysvconfig (note the name). Patches are welcome. > Now it needs to get part of the base install... I see little chance of that. > For other RH (and SuSE)

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Frank Küster writes: > But this would have the consequence that all those files would have to be > created by dpkg, and clutter /etc. No files would be created that were not subsequently filled in by a maintainer script. I don't know where you get the idea that that any files, empty or otherwise,

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler wrote: Paul Gear writes: In rpm, they're typically not empty - they're full of interesting and useful comments, and potentially usable defaults. We are talking about files the contents of which are created by maintainer scripts. Other configuration files in Debian packages _are

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Paul Gear writes: > In rpm, they're typically not empty - they're full of interesting and > useful comments, and potentially usable defaults. We are talking about files the contents of which are created by maintainer scripts. Other configuration files in Debian packages _are_ "full of interesting

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > >>Just off the top of my head I see no reason why these files [created by >>maintainer scripts] could not be included in the package empty and filled >>in by the scripts. This would identify the files as belonging to the >>package and also allow dpkg to remove them

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler wrote: Thomas Adam writes: ...But removing the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/* for whatever DM is running... If you remove them they will be recreated when you upgrade the package. Sysvconfig allows you to disable stuff. Just select "Enable/Disable" in the main menu and follow directi

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 06:00:47PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: >> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> ...and having a lot of empty files in /etc is just pointless. >> > >> > Where would any empty files come from? >> >> How should a package tel

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 06:00:47PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> ...and having a lot of empty files in /etc is just pointless. > > > > Where would any empty files come from? > > How should a package tell dpkg to install an empty file, if it needs > tha

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Thomas Adam writes: > ...But removing the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/* for whatever DM is > running... If you remove them they will be recreated when you upgrade the package. Sysvconfig allows you to disable stuff. Just select "Enable/Disable" in the main menu and follow directions. -- John Hasler [

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:06:50PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > 3. That if I have KDE|GNOME|whatever DTE installed I always want to run > > it when I boot. > > Okay, that annoys me, too. rcconf is quite handy. But removing the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/* for whatever DM is running, or editing /etc/

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Paul E Condon wrote: It appears that there are two distinct roles for packages with respect to files: 1 the .deb of the package contains an initial copy of the file 2 the package programs/scripts are permitted/expected to maintain and update the file as needed. It is unually assumed that only one p

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:57:42AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > 1. That I want to start a daemon as soon as I've installed it > Typically I want to install at the office, configure in the field. So download the files but don't complete the install until you're in the field. The "-d" flag to

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Tim Kelley wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:18:08PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: Seems to me the idea of creating configuration files on the fly is broken. I much prefer this: Yes, so how exactly, for example, is phpmyadmin supposed to touch files, such as httpd.conf, so that it works a

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:35:28AM -0500, Tim Kelley wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:18:08PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > > Seems to me the idea of creating configuration files on the fly is > > broken. I much prefer this: > > Yes, so how exactly, for example, is phpmyadmin supposed to to

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin writes: >> One possibility would be that the maintainer script which creates the >> file stores the filename in something like >> "/var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.createdfiles". > > Gaak! No! The archive must _only_ be accessed via the packaging > syst

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:18:08PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Seems to me the idea of creating configuration files on the fly is > broken. I much prefer this: Yes, so how exactly, for example, is phpmyadmin supposed to touch files, such as httpd.conf, so that it works and is properly config

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ...and having a lot of empty files in /etc is just pointless. > > Where would any empty files come from? How should a package tell dpkg to install an empty file, if it needs that? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster, Biozentrum der Univ. Basel Abt. Biophysi

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Martin writes: > One possibility would be that the maintainer script which creates the > file stores the filename in something like > "/var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.createdfiles". Gaak! No! The archive must _only_ be accessed via the packaging system tools. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John H

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Thomas Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:24:45AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:54:41PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: >> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: >> >> > > dpkg -S | --search filename-search-patter

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Rthoreau writes: > Why just use our trusty old friend find? also you have locate, whereis, > and a bunch of others, I must say find can do about anything. How do you propose to get find to tell you which files were created by a particular package, or which package created a particular file? File

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Actually, we have been requesting this functionality to the dpkg crew for > a while. It will arrive someday. > The idea is that we will "register" dynamically-created stuff with a > package in the maintainer script. That's a good solution. It deals with the

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

I wrote: > Just off the top of my head I see no reason why these files [created by > maintainer scripts] could not be included in the package empty and filled > in by the scripts. This would identify the files as belonging to the > package and also allow dpkg to remove them, eliminating the need f

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:22:16AM -0500, Rthoreau wrote: > Why just use our trusty old friend find? Because the question is "Which package was responsible for creating this conffile?" How can find answer that? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreadin

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:54:41PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: > >> dpkg -S | --search filename-search-pattern ... > >> Search for a filename from installed packages. >> >> How is this unclear, exactl

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:33:09AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Thomas Adam wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:28:09PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > > > Is it fairly common, then, that packages only create their config files, > > > and don't include them in the pa

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

John Hasler writes: > Just off the top of my head I see no reason why these files could not be > included in the package empty and filled in by the scripts. This would > identify the files as belonging to the package and also allow dpkg to > remove them, eliminating the need for the postrm to do

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:23:16AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > Just off the top of my head I see no reason why these files could not be > > included in the package empty and filled in by the scripts. This would > > identify the files as belonging to the

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:28:09PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > > Is it fairly common, then, that packages only create their config files, > > and don't include them in the package originally. I can see times when > > Of course it is. There are *hundreds* of

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Thomas Adam wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:24:45AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:54:41PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: dpkg -S | --search filename-search-pattern ... Search

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Jason Rennie wrote: > ... > Geez. Try answering the question, not insulting the guy. Don't worry - i'm used to it on this list by now... :-) -- Paul -- Did you know? Email addresses can be forged easily. This message is signed with GNU Privacy Guard

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:24:45AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:54:41PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: > > > > dpkg -S | --search filename-search-pattern ... > > > Search for a file

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:23:16AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Thomas Adam writes: > > As I have said, if the file was created by an application, then it > > clearly cannot belong to a package. > > The question was about files created by the maintainer scripts. Was it now? I don't believe so, alt

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:54:41PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: > > dpkg -S | --search filename-search-pattern ... > > Search for a filename from installed packages. > > How is this unclear, exactly? It

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Thomas Adam writes: > As I have said, if the file was created by an application, then it > clearly cannot belong to a package. The question was about files created by the maintainer scripts. Just off the top of my head I see no reason why these files could not be included in the package empty and

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 08:49:57AM -0400, Jason Rennie wrote: > Geez. Try answering the question, not insulting the guy. The dpkg > man page is unclear on what -S does: I wasn't insulting anybody. The *words* were there, only to place emphasis on the fundamental differences in operation. >

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:28:09PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > Is it fairly common, then, that packages only create their config files, > and don't include them in the package originally. I can see times when Of course it is. There are *hundreds* of files that are created in this manner, usually

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:11:33PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > It's doing *exactly* what you asked of it. Remember that dpkg -S will only > work for files that were *in* a package initially and not ones that were > *created*. /etc/apt/sources.list is created by apt-setup from 'base-config', > but d

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Thomas Adam wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:44:33PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > >>Hi folks, >> >>What is the canonical method for determining to which package an >>installed file belongs? dpkg -S seems to be the right *sort* of thing, >>but doesn't always work: >> >>enoch:/share/download # dpkg

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Hello Paul Gear (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > What is the canonical method for determining to which package an > installed file belongs? dpkg -S seems to be the right *sort* of > thing, but doesn't always work: > > enoch:/share/download # dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf > debconf: /etc/a

Re: dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:44:33PM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > Hi folks, > > What is the canonical method for determining to which package an > installed file belongs? dpkg -S seems to be the right *sort* of thing, > but doesn't always work: > > enoch:/share/download # dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/

dpkg / apt equivalent to 'rpm -qf'?

Hi folks, What is the canonical method for determining to which package an installed file belongs? dpkg -S seems to be the right *sort* of thing, but doesn't always work: enoch:/share/download # dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf debconf: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf enoch:/share/download #