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2008-08-18 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Testing. Please ignore. -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML courtesy of Microsoft Exchange.)

Test2 (was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.)

2008-08-18 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Testing (2). Please ignore. -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML courtesy of Microsoft Exchange.)

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-07-18 12:04:35, schrieb Steve C. Lamb: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 04:01:31PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I do not believe it, since I am admin a Courier-Imap Server with 73.000 users ith 2.8 million legitim messages and 8 million spams per day. And a d-u troll. I would

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-07-13 14:06:51, schrieb Steve Lamb: My apologies to Ron, I slapped reply and not reply-to-all and trim. :( Ron Johnson wrote: That's qmail's fault, not that of Maildir. No, that is a design problem in Maildir. Granted I wouldn't want my MTAs I do not believe it, since I

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-18 Thread Steve C. Lamb
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 04:01:31PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: I do not believe it, since I am admin a Courier-Imap Server with 73.000 users ith 2.8 million legitim messages and 8 million spams per day. And a d-u troll. I would never use mbox for such stuff... and of course, a

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-13 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history folders so directories never get above 10,000 files, but what problems do Maildirs have? Needing to open many files instead of one? Needing to deal with that many files in any capacity, ever. I've had the

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/13/08 04:14, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history folders so directories never get above 10,000 files, but what problems do Maildirs have? Needing to open many files instead of

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-13 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 08:31:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/10/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-13 Thread Steve Lamb
My apologies to Ron, I slapped reply and not reply-to-all and trim. :( Ron Johnson wrote: That's qmail's fault, not that of Maildir. No, that is a design problem in Maildir. Granted I wouldn't want my MTAs using a flat file for all its traffic, it makes no sense there for how short

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On Jul 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Steve C. Lamb wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:38:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-12 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Nate Duehr wrote: We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-) Then you can back up mail directories with thinks like rdiff and not pull in the whole mbox file into the backup again. Just the new mail. (GRIN) While I do think Maildir is a lot better than mbox, applications

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Nate Duehr wrote: We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-) Uh, no, thanks. I far prefer mbox's problems to maildir's. Then you can back up mail directories with thinks like rdiff and not pull in the whole mbox file into the backup again. Just the new mail. (GRIN)

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/12/08 18:46, Steve Lamb wrote: Nate Duehr wrote: We really gotta get you over to Maildir someday, Steve. ;-) Uh, no, thanks. I far prefer mbox's problems to maildir's. Maybe it's because I keep d-u messages is semi-annual history

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-11 Thread Wackojacko
Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Of course, it drops mails directly into Maildir folders, so you'd have to tell Dovcot to use Maildir instead of mbox. But that should not be hard. I was talking about the filters from the client more than the subfolders. Dovecot doesn't do sieve.

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Lamb
Wackojacko wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Dovecot doesn't do sieve. There is a plug-in for sieve. http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve HTH Hell yeah it helps. Hm, they're compiled in by default in Ubuntu, wonder if that means Debian too. Also...

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed,09.Jul.08, 12:41:57, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)? Subscribe a different address (on a different server)? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply,

IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in proprietary locations. second that. THe convenience is incredible. Case in point:

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Steve C. Lamb
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:38:21AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in proprietary locations. second that. THe

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Steve C. Lamb
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:51:01PM -0400, Steve C. Lamb wrote: The only thing I miss in that setup, really, is the ability to configure filters from inside the client and subfolders. I know both are possible if I switch to another IMAP server. However I would lose the flexibility of

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/10/08 12:51, Steve C. Lamb wrote: [snip] The only thing I miss in that setup, really, is the ability to configure filters from inside the client and subfolders. I know both are possible if I switch to another IMAP server. However I

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/10/08 12:38, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not

Re: IMAP is teh r0x0rz! [was: Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.]

2008-07-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Of course, it drops mails directly into Maildir folders, so you'd have to tell Dovcot to use Maildir instead of mbox. But that should not be hard. I was talking about the filters from the client more than the subfolders. Dovecot doesn't do sieve. signature.asc

getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Chris Davies wrote: Barclay, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message? Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded. Thanks. (And thanks to others who sent me copies.) Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote: [snip] Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed .. Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick. Might be a bit of an upheaval, though... [snip] I wonder how long it

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Chris Davies wrote: Barclay, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message? Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded. Thanks. (And thanks to others

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Barclay, Daniel wrote: Chris Davies wrote: Barclay, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you just copy the text and paste it into a message? Follows. Notice that even the text/plain part is base64 encoded. Thanks. (And thanks to others

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote: [snip] Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed .. Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick. Did you mean Exchange? (I thought Lookout referred to Outlook, which I'm not using.) Might

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: ... P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response message doesn't says anything about

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: ... P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response message doesn't says anything about changing that setting. (Not getting such copies is part of why I didn't

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/08 11:40, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 07/09/08 10:33, Barclay, Daniel wrote: [snip] Now if I can figure out how to get the mail server configuration fixed .. Replacing Lookout with Postfix would do the trick. Did

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Bob Cox
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:41:57 -0400, Barclay, Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Any idea how to confirm that it's the mail server and not my MUA (SeaMonkey 1.1.9, which I don't suspect but would want to rule out)? It is the server as far as I can tell. In mutt I just press 'e' to edit

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Barclay, Daniel
I wrote, slightly too quickly: Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: ... P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The MajorDomo/SmartList help response message doesn't says anything about changing that setting. (Not getting

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:41:57PM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:33:39AM -0400, Barclay, Daniel wrote: ... P.S. How do I change my debian-user subscription to have the mailing list server send me a copy of my own posts? The

Re: getting copies of own posted messages; was: Re: ??: Stunned by aptitude.

2008-07-09 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/08 13:26, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: [snip] try a different MUA? This is why IMAP should be the standard mail store, not mboxes in proprietary locations. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter