Re: man vs info

2007-03-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
this yet, not filled a bugreport to all of their packages... ) On 15.03.07 09:19, Carl Johnson wrote: You should look at the dhelp and dwww packages and see if you like either of them (I prefer dwww). They both provide browser access to the man pages, info files, and the /usr/share/doc

Re: man vs info

2007-03-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 14.03.07 08:35, Mike McClain wrote: In man pages written by the FSF I see this advisory: SEE ALSO The full documentation for sync is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and sync programs are properly installed at your site, the command info

Re: man vs info

2007-03-15 Thread Carl Johnson
a bugreport to all of their packages... ) You should look at the dhelp and dwww packages and see if you like either of them (I prefer dwww). They both provide browser access to the man pages, info files, and the /usr/share/doc/* documentation. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED

man vs info

2007-03-14 Thread Mike McClain
In man pages written by the FSF I see this advisory: SEE ALSO The full documentation for sync is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and sync programs are properly installed at your site, the command info coreutils sync should give you access to

Re: man vs info

2007-03-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
in the info pages. I think that it is because the FSF and GNU have a preference for info over man. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: man vs info

2007-03-14 Thread Jhair Tocancipa Triana
Mike McClain writes: In man pages written by the FSF I see this advisory: SEE ALSO The full documentation for sync is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and sync programs are properly installed at your site, the command info coreutils sync

Re: man vs info

2007-03-14 Thread Michael Marsh
On 3/14/07, Jhair Tocancipa Triana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike McClain writes: Has anyone seen am example where there was any more information in the info pages than the man pages? Yes, emacs. And gmake, and autoconf, and ... -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh

Re: man vs info

2007-03-14 Thread Mike McClain
(or whichever one corresponds to your version, like gcc4.1-doc) then you get the complete manual in the info pages. I think that it is because the FSF and GNU have a preference for info over man. From: Jhair Tocancipa Triana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, emacs. From: Michael Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: man, doc, info, HOWTO

2002-08-09 Thread Michelle Konzack
-Servers kopieren. Und mal Das habe ich gemacht und es funktioniert... Danach kanste ein dwww-build laufen lassen und er knallt Dir ein Extra-Verzeichnis mit HTML's voll... Jetzt geht es eigentlich nur noch darum, wie ich alle /usr/doc, /usr/info und /usr/man aus den Paketen meines linuxnfs

Re: man, doc, info, HOWTO

2002-08-09 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 22:49 07/08/02 +0200 hat Rainer Ellinger geschrieben: Michelle Konzack schrieb: extrahieren und auf einen seperaten Server (doc.michelle.de) Ist irgendwie schieef gegangen... Stimmt. Ich finde da nur unter www. Deine Freundinnen =8-0 (scnr) Ich weis zwar nicht WAS du gefunden hast, aber

Re: man or info?

2002-06-23 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 03:04:42AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 02:45:39PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Osamu Aoki writes: Another one is information on libc. apropos libc does not offer good pointer to libc in manual page. File a bug. On what? Do you mean that

Re: man or info?

2002-06-23 Thread W. Paul Mills
Good discussion! Learned something! Thanks, Paul -- * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Bob Proulx
When I see people who claim to like info, I really do wonder whether they're talking about the same program. There is info the documentation format and there is info the standalone info browser and we both know they are different. I am fine with the format and also fine with the browser,

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: which you can't get rid of (as far as I know). ^X-1 works for me. ESC-^f brings them back. I wonder if whatever the author of info was on is legal when he thought up those key

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Peter De Wachter
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: - When a page has a footnote, info feels a need to put it in a window that fills half the screen, which you can't get rid of (as far as I know). I get a window just large enough for the footnote. Yes, but when a footnote is

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:15:32PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. I mostly only hate info. Mostly

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Peter De Wachter
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Peter De Wachter writes: - There doesn't seem to be any way to scroll line-by-line or two lines at a time (like lynx with Insert/Delete) True. False. M-x set-variable scroll-step 1 I just discovered this in the info manual,

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, at, Jun 22, 2002 at 04:56:52PM +0200, Peter De Wachter wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Peter De Wachter writes: - There doesn't seem to be any way to scroll line-by-line or two lines at a time (like lynx with Insert/Delete) True. False.

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 12:19:16PM -0700, Osamu Aoki wrote: Another one is information on libc. apropos libc does not offer good pointer to libc in manual page. info libc gives no clue. It is info Libc. Why capitalize this?? I have no clue. info libc works fine here... (sid). I

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread John Hasler
Osamu Aoki writes: Another one is information on libc. apropos libc does not offer good pointer to libc in manual page. File a bug. info libc gives no clue. It is info Libc. Why capitalize this?? I have no clue. Both 'info Libc' and 'info libc' work for me. -- John Hasler [EMAIL

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 12:43:06PM -0700, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 12:19:16PM -0700, Osamu Aoki wrote: Another one is information on libc. apropos libc does not offer good pointer to libc in manual page. info libc gives no clue. It is info Libc. Why capitalize

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread David Teague
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:18:41PM -0500, John Hasler quoted Peter De Wachter who wrote: I just discovered this in the info manual, which is BTW not 'info info', but 'info info-stnd'. ('info info' gives only documents a small portion of the keystrokes. I have a feeling it's

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Gary Turner
On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:40:26 -0700, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 07:15:32PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: snip I mostly only hate info. Mostly. The only real way that I could find to make info usable was info2html, and

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. I mostly only hate info

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 02:45:39PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Osamu Aoki writes: Another one is information on libc. apropos libc does not offer good pointer to libc in manual page. File a bug. On what? Do you mean that there should be some kind of summary man page for libc pointing to

Re: man or info?

2002-06-22 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: File a bug. Colin Watson writes: On what? Do you mean that there should be some kind of summary man page for libc pointing to more useful sources of information? Seems like that would answer Osamu's complaint. It could usefully mention both the info file and the function man pages.

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Jun 20, 2002, W. Paul Mills ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. No, scrap the whole format. DocBook w/ mandetory manpages would

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Robert Waldner
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:05:37 BST, Colin Watson writes: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:36:58PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:33:42PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: But http://freshmeat.net/projects/info2man/ helps. (no .deb available though, AFAICT) That's *very* nice.

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Glen Lee Edwards
authors and readers can pick up quickly. I'm in the habit of using info for a very few GNU packages (make, autoconf, and the libc being prime examples), but given the choice I still prefer a quick 'man foo'. Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Brownlow
to more authoritative documentation, so I can recall the programs interface. When I want to research the program, I will always hope there would be info or a postscript document, not a man page. Both man and info are very useful. It would be a pity to see projects try to side with one or the other

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi Karsten, On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:32:22AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Thu, Jun 20, 2002, W. Paul Mills ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Info isn't intuitive enough to be of practical value. You can't quickly sit down, search for what you need, and then go on. You have to memorize a bunch of key strokes that are easily forgotten. I only use info if I'm desperate. I really like info because it is very quick to start up,

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread John Hasler
Bob writes: Are we talking about the same documentation format? I wonder that myself whenever I see someone bashing info. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread Peter De Wachter
feels a need to put it in a window that fills half the screen, which you can't get rid of (as far as I know). Maybe these things are answered in the documentation, but 'info info' gives documentation on another program, 'man info' only lists the command line options, and /usr/share/doc/info

Re: man or info?

2002-06-21 Thread John Hasler
Peter De Wachter writes: - There doesn't seem to be any way to scroll line-by-line or two lines at a time (like lynx with Insert/Delete) True. - There doesn't seem to be any way to search on regexps True. - When a page has a footnote, info feels a need to put it in a window that fills

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread W. Paul Mills
info for a very few GNU packages (make, autoconf, and the libc being prime examples), but given the choice I still prefer a quick 'man foo'. Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. Paul -- * For God so

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Robert Waldner
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:02:43 CDT, W. Paul Mills writes: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. AOL! But http://freshmeat.net/projects/info2man/ helps. (no .deb available though, AFAICT) cheers, rw -- / Ing

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes: Man pages are things that both authors and readers can pick up quickly. I'm in the habit of using info for a very few GNU packages (make, autoconf, and the libc being prime examples), but

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Alan Shutko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (W. Paul Mills) writes: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. Do you know about the s and i keys? They let you search the whole file or search the index, respectively. That should make

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Pietro Cagnoni
Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. Paul apt-get install pinfo or if you have apache installed apt-get install info2www hope this helps pietro. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:33:42PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:02:43 CDT, W. Paul Mills writes: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. AOL! But http://freshmeat.net/projects

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Thursday 20 June 2002 17:02, W. Paul Mills wrote: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. If you have a web server that can handle CGI scripts, you might want to try the info2www package. I like

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 20 Jun 2002, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes: Man pages are things that both authors and readers can pick up quickly. I'm in the habit of using info for a very few GNU packages (make,

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:36:58PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 05:33:42PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote: But http://freshmeat.net/projects/info2man/ helps. (no .deb available though, AFAICT) That's *very* nice. There might just be a .deb coming soon. It's now in

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Wayne Topa
authors and readers can pick up quickly. I'm in the habit of using info for a very few GNU packages (make, autoconf, and the libc being prime examples), but given the choice I still prefer a quick 'man foo'. Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier

Re: man or info?

2002-06-20 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 20, 2002 at 10:02:43AM -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote: Seems like I never can find what I want in info. Man pages are much easier. Then again a friendlier info browser might help. I mostly only hate info. Mostly. The only real way that I

man or info?

2002-06-17 Thread Patrick Wiseman
I much prefer 'man' to 'info' (and I guess at least some Debian developers do too as there are so many Debian-edited man pages). Anyone know why GNU uses info now instead? And is there any way to influence the decision, or am I just way too late? Patrick -- Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: man or info?

2002-06-17 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 05:49:28PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I much prefer 'man' to 'info' (and I guess at least some Debian developers do too as there are so many Debian-edited man pages). Anyone know why GNU uses info now instead? And is there any way to influence the decision, or am I

Re: man or info?

2002-06-17 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Simon Law wrote: So you see, there is a place for both types of documentation. Thanks for that very articulate and helpful description of the value of each - and, yes, I do now see :) Patrick -- Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user #17943 -- To

Re: man or info?

2002-06-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 05:49:28PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I much prefer 'man' to 'info' (and I guess at least some Debian developers do too as there are so many Debian-edited man pages). Anyone know why GNU uses info now instead? And is there any way to influence the decision, or am I

Re: man or info?

2002-06-17 Thread Bob Proulx
BTW, an excellently written summary. Thanks Simon. Note that the GNU project does not disapprove of man pages; it's just that many of their maintainers are too busy to maintain both man and info documentation. Many GNU projects such as the GNU coreutils of fileutils, textutils, sh-utils, etc

Re: man v. info

2001-12-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
_somewhat_ work things out, if only by the man page section (man man for info), which will tell you if the page is a command, a file, system or library call, or other component. Could be better, but at least it's there. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp

Re: man v. info

2001-12-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 08:10:46PM -0500, dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch wrote: | ((X)Emacs is everywhere). Hmm, $ dpkg -l \*emacs\* | grep ^ii $ I think I just found nowhere :-). ...but are you in the _middle_ of it. That's

Re: printcap(5) and other poorly formatted manpages (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 01:48:55PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 02:29:19PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ugh, yes, that's horrible formatting. '.nf' means no-fill mode, but it has the effect you're thinking of. Make sure you add this line to the

Re: man v. info

2001-12-27 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:24:26 +0100, Imre Vida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as info is concerned, i fully agree with Karsten. It doesn't work intuitively for me either; i just get lost in the maze of links and 3 sentence pages I hate it for this. Use pinfo. Feels like lynx. Much more

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:02:25PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:51:09PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Come up with examples and send patches. That'll achieve results much faster than anything else I can think of. Specific instructions on how to

Re: Man deprecated, Info not there, -doc package? (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:26:56PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 08:07:40AM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No, usually what's happened in these cases is that the man page is in the main package while the info pages are in a separate -doc package

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Michael Mauch
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:32:31PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Carl Fink wrote: BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:32:31PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Carl Fink wrote: BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks.

printcap(5) and other poorly formatted manpages (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:38:20PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:02:25PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:51:09PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Come up with examples and send patches. That'll achieve

Re: printcap(5) and other poorly formatted manpages (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-26 Thread John Hasler
Karsten M. Self writes: My concern was whether or not I should post my revised manpage to the bugtracking system itself. You should. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: printcap(5) and other poorly formatted manpages (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:59:58AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:38:20PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do use the bug tracking system. In the case of printcap(5), a bug should be filed against the three packages that contain it (lpr, lprng,

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:52:33AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think a decent search facility is a must for more in-depth documentation. If I _know_ that I want to use newwin(3), I can easily type man

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: ... This can be further mitigated by browsers that render on partial load, or which allow background loading of pages (Galeon rocks for this). Sorry, I disagree. Try info

Re: printcap(5) and other poorly formatted manpages (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 02:29:19PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 10:59:58AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:38:20PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do use the bug tracking system. In the case of printcap(5),

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread dman
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch wrote: | You might argue that I should use w3m or links to read those large HTML | files - but then I would have to remember the keystrokes of these | programs (i.e. I can't use my favourite browser) and I have to | install/build these

Re: man v. info

2001-12-26 Thread Michael Mauch
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: This can be further mitigated by browsers that render on partial load, or which allow background loading of pages (Galeon rocks for this). Sorry, I

what happened to galeon (was Re: man v. info)

2001-12-26 Thread dman
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 02:14:36AM +0100, Michael Mauch wrote: | Galeon 1.0 from the Debian system really is a lot faster (2 seconds | for the whole file). So maybe something went wrong with my | Galeon-0.12.7 build here (built from sources on something that once | was a SuSE-6.1). Ok, so galeon

man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Imre Vida
hi, i just read the (sub)thread above on man v. info and i thought it is much more important than to have it hidden in there. So i thought i try to pick it up again. The major sources of help/information for me are the apropos, the -h/--help options and the man pages. These are fast

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:24:26PM +0100, Imre Vida wrote: The lack of manpages, and outdated manpages are frustrating. And what Karsten brought up is also a nice idea: to have examples in man pages. There are some manpages with examples but most of them are without although they are really

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread MH
Imre == Imre Vida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imre As far as info is concerned, i fully agree with Karsten. It Imre doesn't work intuitively for me either; i just get lost in Imre the maze of links and 3 sentence pages I hate it for Imre this. It's not man versus info

Man deprecated, Info not there, -doc package? (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 08:07:40AM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:21:55AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:38:49 -0800 Karsten M. Self

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Imre Vida ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: hi, i just read the (sub)thread above on man v. info and i thought it is much more important than to have it hidden in there. So i thought i try to pick it up again. The major sources of help/information for me are the apropos, the -h

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:51:09PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:24:26PM +0100, Imre Vida wrote: The lack of manpages, and outdated manpages are frustrating. And what Karsten brought up is also a nice idea: to have examples in man pages. There

RE: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Ted Harding
On 25-Dec-01 Imre Vida wrote: [snip] The major sources of help/information for me are the apropos, the -h/--help options and the man pages. These are fast and efficient means to find what i want most of the time. As far as info is concerned, i fully agree with Karsten. It doesn't work

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Carl Fink
World, isn't it? I despise info. Use man as a base, and anything more elaborate that actually *requires* hyperlinking, use HTML. BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes searching significantly

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Craig Dickson
Carl Fink wrote: BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes searching significantly more difficult. For locally-stored docs that's arguable. The advantage of small files comes when you have

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:32:31PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Carl Fink wrote: BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes searching significantly more difficult.

RE: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really agree with this. I find 'info' very frustrating; [...] As to what to do about it, I can only suggest reinstate the man pages in full. I know it's not 'kosher' to disagreee with the GNU info policy, but I think that those who do disagree

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 11:54:09PM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: I also agree. I think what bothers me most about info pages is that they often read like books. They're usually arranged in a format resembling chapters covering each topic in thorough detail. This is fine if I want to read a

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-03 Thread Joey Hess
Brian Nelson wrote: I also agree. I think what bothers me most about info pages is that they often read like books. Not suprising, they often *are* books. I have a book on my shelf that has about a 100% correspondence to the gdb info page. Though the gdb info page lacks RPM's autograph.. --

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-03 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 03:13:10PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 01:44:45PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 11:49:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:31:47PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: regretful snip I

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-03 Thread Rino Mardo
wow. ever thought of getting into law practice? :-) i think i touched on a very touchy issue here. i'll just go find a simple project for my python. thanks for all the replies guys! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at

man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 01:44:45PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 11:49:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 10:31:47PM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: getting a little OT here but can all the man databases be converted to info

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-02 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 03:13:10PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Personally, I'd strongly recommend that the GNU project revisit the issue of info pages altogether. They're not popular, they don't adequately replace man pages, and there is a far more successful and ubiquitous hypertext model

Re: man v. info (was Re: mandb gets stuck!)

2001-09-02 Thread Brian Nelson
Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com writes: The problem is that this is often specifically what is *not* sought by those who are looking for manpages. What's wanted is a short, concise, but illustrative reference providing: - A functional description of the command. - A synopsis of