On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:52:10AM -0600, Seth Goodman wrote:
From: Andrei Popescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:35 PM
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4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros
(like Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the
i386
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 4:35:22 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
It seems pretty clear that subscribers of this list don't
want/need/... a debian-newcomer list.
Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread: the
help help messages won't stop (and we don't want them
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
the help help messages won't stop (and we don't want them to
stop) so what can we do?
Installing Linux on ones computer requires a conscious decision;
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
the help help messages won't stop (and we don't want them to
stop) so what can we
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:35:22 +0200
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snippity doo-dah
1. Rewriting the welcome message coupled with some scripts to quickly install
a GUI (for the ones who missed the option) or get rid of the newbie welcome
snippity-ay
3. Have the 'Desktop' task
On Tue, January 10, 2006 11:08 am, Richard Lyons wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
the help help messages won't
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:02:02PM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
}
} On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} } On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} } Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
} } Andrei Popescu wrote:
} } It has been suggested by
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:21:58PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote:
} Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
} see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the
} installer so bear with me) knoppix type detection done by the installer?
} There should be NOTHING that knoppix does that Debian
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:52 -0500
Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:21:58PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote:
} Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
} see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the
} installer so bear with me) knoppix type detection
SSG Paul D. Carrier
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From: Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:11 pm
Subject: Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic
login]
It has been suggested
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:33:11 +0200
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real
From: Andrei Popescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:35 PM
...
4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros
(like Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the
i386 branch (maybe also ia64/amd64?), but this branch is also
the one that will
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will subscribe in
order to help the newcomers (from doze or Mac or other distros)? A name or
nick as an answer i
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will subscribe in
order to help the newcomers (from doze or Mac or other distros)? A name or
nick as an answer i
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will
subscribe in order to help the
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
} Andrei Popescu wrote:
} It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
} 'debian-newcomer' list.
[...]
} This gets asked on this list
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:35:32 -0800
Andy Streich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 06 January 2006 02:41 pm, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
I really appreciate this topic
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:40:08 +
Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Now, considering that success is not really unlikely with the new
installer, but that it is oddly easy for a newbie (or even an
experienced user) to fail to select the 'desktop' option and to install
a perfectly
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the installer so bear with
me) knoppix type detection done by the installer? There should be NOTHING that knoppix
does that Debian can't do at install time, excepting kernel modules that are to far up
Gregory Seidman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
} Andrei Popescu wrote:
} It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
} 'debian-newcomer' list.
[...]
} This
On Sunday 08 January 2006 05:02 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
I was trying to put up something like this at
http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html but never got
time to finish it up. Would you mind if I copy some lines (word by word)
from your previous email and work on it?
It is difficult to know which branch of this thread to re-enter. I'm
happy to have started an interesting discussion, and to hear various
personal histories on the way. But I was initially trying to suggest a
much smaller-scale intervention. I hope you'll all forgive me if I
recap.
It is
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:11:29 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andy Streich wrote:
Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the
option
to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then, a
debian-newcomer list (or
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will
subscribe in order to help the newcomers (from doze or Mac or other distros)?
A name or nick as an answer i think will do. I'll start
I hope i'm not double-posting - it seems the 'doze' version of Sylpheed is not
very reliable, so here it comes:
Maybe all that is needed is to have the 'Desktop' task selected by default and
have base-config start gdm on exit or do a 'init 2' i don't exactly remember
the state you are when it
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:30:56 +
Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and
On Friday 06 January 2006 10:12 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[snip]
Having said all that, I agree that the prevalence of help help emails is
a good sign and its incumbent upon us, as a community to reach out to these
people and help them in whatever way we can. First, of course, talk them
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
users responding positively to the help, help emails. Andrew's question is
the critical one: is Debian for newbies or not? From my own experience over
the last couple of
Andy Streich wrote:
In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie experience,
I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically for people trying
to establish a stable installation. Like other diehards on this list I can
filter 150 emails/day. That's not true
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
users responding positively to the help, help emails. Andrew's question
is
the critical one: is
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:48 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Andy Streich wrote:
In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie
experience, I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically
for people trying to establish a stable installation. Like other
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:48:30 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
debian-boot already exists. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ for
more information.
I would have never thought of it as a newbie list. The name rather suggests a
list dedicated to boot troubles, like when
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:46 pm, Clive Menzies wrote:
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
users responding positively to the help, help emails. Andrew's
question is the critical one: is Debian for newbies or
Andy Streich wrote:
Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the option
to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then, a
debian-newcomer list (or debian-how-in-the-heck-do-I-get-this-working list)
seems like a good idea.
This has been discussed
Andy Streich wrote:
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:48 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Andy Streich wrote:
In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie
experience, I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically
for people trying to establish a stable
On Friday 06 January 2006 06:11 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Andy Streich wrote:
Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the
option to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then,
a debian-newcomer list (or
On Friday 06 January 2006 02:41 pm, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced
Debian users responding positively to the
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring them
off -- and I think
Richard Lyons wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring
Richard Lyons wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring
On 1/5/06, Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But
On Thursday, 5 January 2006 at 16:11:49 +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
Richard Lyons wrote:
[...]
What I have in mind is that the new installer could rewrite the welcome
text to say something like
This is a new install of
Debian GNU/Linux stable thisbox tty1
If you expected
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