Re: udev being an ass

On Fri 30 Aug 2019 at 07:47:09 -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > If you can't say something constructive Brian, please just stfu. I won't > > claim to speak for the rest of the list, but I am damned tired of your > > negative attitude. You have, I assume the same c

Re: udev being an ass

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:51 PM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2019-08-29 19:49 (UTC-0500): > > > Unfortunately, virtually every conversation about any of your systems > > begins with a tirade about how Debian is completely broken, whether > > it's the... > > I'm guessing most of

Re: udev being an ass

On Friday 30 August 2019 03:47:09 Curt wrote: > On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > If you can't say something constructive Brian, please just stfu. I > > won't claim to speak for the rest of the list, but I am damned tired > > of your negative attitude. You have, I assume the same clothes to

Re: udev being an ass

On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > If you can't say something constructive Brian, please just stfu. I won't > claim to speak for the rest of the list, but I am damned tired of your > negative attitude. You have, I assume the same clothes to get glad in > that you got mad in. Use them. In yo

Re: udev being an ass

On Thursday 29 August 2019 21:34:33 Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2019-08-29 19:49 (UTC-0500): > > Unfortunately, virtually every conversation about any of your > > systems begins with a tirade about how Debian is completely broken, > > whether it's the... > > I'm guessing most of

Re: udev being an ass

David Wright composed on 2019-08-29 19:49 (UTC-0500): > Unfortunately, virtually every conversation about any of your systems > begins with a tirade about how Debian is completely broken, whether > it's the... I'm guessing most of it would be curtailed if he could install the current stable rele

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 20:19:29 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 28 August 2019 16:04:48 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:42:56PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occ

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 19:59:53 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 28 August 2019 15:42:56 Brian wrote: > > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well > > > if you can get it all done before before the t

Re: udev being an ass, SOLVED

On Thursday 29 August 2019 15:23:42 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > and yet you can't actually describe what you DO want to happen. > > > > I just did, in a step by step description, Greg. How you choose to > > understand it is up to you. > > I just reviewed >

Re: udev being an ass

> > and yet you can't actually describe what you DO want to happen. > > I just did, in a step by step description, Greg. How you choose to > understand it is up to you. I just reviewed again. There is nothing in it about how you want

Re: udev being an ass

On Thursday 29 August 2019 12:55:10 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:41:55AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Its all hosts file based, no dhcp involved this side of the router. > > If the desired fqdn is not in the /etc/hosts file, which is > > identical on all machines (so is the

Re: udev being an ass

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:41:55AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Its all hosts file based, no dhcp involved this side of the router. If > the desired fqdn is not in the /etc/hosts file, which is identical on > all machines (so is the /etc/resolv.conf file, which assigns the router [...] None of

Re: udev being an ass

On Thu 29 Aug 2019 at 12:03:22 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 29 August 2019 09:26:25 mick crane wrote: > > > On 2019-08-29 13:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:19:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> Thats a miss-statement. I do want persistent interface names

Re: udev being an ass

On Thursday 29 August 2019 09:26:25 mick crane wrote: > On 2019-08-29 13:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:19:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Thats a miss-statement. I do want persistent interface names EVEN > >> if I move this boot drive to a whole new box. > >> > >> Th

Re: udev being an ass

On Thursday 29 August 2019 08:45:47 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:19:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thats a miss-statement. I do want persistent interface names EVEN if > > I move this boot drive to a whole new box. > > > > This machine does in fact have 2 nic's. And I ha

Re: udev being an ass

On 2019-08-29 13:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:19:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Thats a miss-statement. I do want persistent interface names EVEN if I move this boot drive to a whole new box. This machine does in fact have 2 nic's. And I have indeed used both at the

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:19:29PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Thats a miss-statement. I do want persistent interface names EVEN if I > move this boot drive to a whole new box. > This machine does in fact have 2 nic's. And I have indeed used both at > the same time but haven't mastered "consis

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 19:59:53 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > If you can't say something constructive Brian, please just stfu. I won't > claim to speak for the rest of the list, but I am damned tired of your > negative attitude. You have, I assume the same clothes to get glad in > that you got ma

Re: udev being an ass, SOLVED

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 16:55:20 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 04:04:48PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > He apparently wants to make his operating system refuse to register > > persistent interface names, on the grounds that he frequently moves > > a physical hard drive from

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 16:04:48 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:42:56PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well > > > if you can get it all done before before t

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 15:42:56 Brian wrote: > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well > > if you can get it all done before before the timer runs the N-M > > script again. > > Users (particularly new use

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 03:18:59 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 28 August 2019 02:10:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Ma, 27 aug 19, 14:27:02, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > What, in wheezy > > > > Do you mean Debian 7? > > > > > /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardle

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 16:04:48 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:42:56PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well if you > > > can get it all done before b

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 04:04:48PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > He apparently wants to make his operating system refuse to register > persistent interface names, on the grounds that he frequently moves > a physical hard drive from one system to another, and doesn't want to > go through the hassle

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:42:56PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well if you > > can get it all done before before the timer runs the N-M script again. > > Users (particularly ne

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 15:05:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I've resorted to the chattr on more than one occasion. Works well if you > can get it all done before before the timer runs the N-M script again. Users (particularly new users) who read chattr(1), and who think getting their own way wi

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 12:53:15 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:26:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > So: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules AND edit /e/n/i > > to put it back on eth0 where it belongs and it should work. > > Only on machines that have precisel

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 11:38:14 David Wright wrote: > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 03:07:24 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 23:54:02 David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:51:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wrigh

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:26:05PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > So: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules AND edit /e/n/i to > put it back on eth0 where it belongs and it should work. Only on machines that have precisely ONE (1) network interface. On any machine with more than one, yo

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 10:54:56 Curt wrote: > On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > It may, looks as if it could, but by itself lacks sufficient > > context to ring any bells. > > https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg747147.ht >ml > > Drop Revert-udev-network-devic

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 03:07:24 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 23:54:02 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:51:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wro

Re: udev being an ass

On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > > It may, looks as if it could, but by itself lacks sufficient context to > ring any bells. https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg747147.html Drop Revert-udev-network-device-renaming-immediately-give.patch. ... In case you rely on t

Re: udev being an ass

On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 03:00:01 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 23:42:25 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:41:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wool

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 08:34:17 Curt wrote: > On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> in Bullseye it appears that > >> '/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' won't even kind of sort > >> of maybe work in specifically unspecified cases (if I understood a > >> recent announcement here cor

Re: udev being an ass

On 2019-08-28, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> in Bullseye it appears that >> '/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' won't even kind of sort of >> maybe work in specifically unspecified cases (if I understood a recent >> announcement here correctly). > > A link? > https://www.mail-archive.com/debi

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 05:58:09 Curt wrote: > On 2019-08-27, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> In spite of posts about it in -user, you are just about clueless > >> about status of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, aren't > >> you? > > > > I can read them just fine. But when written in swahi

Re: udev being an ass

On 2019-08-27, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> In spite of posts about it in -user, you are just about clueless about >> status of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, aren't you? >> > I can read them just fine. But when written in swahili, they aren't that > easy to understand. But first, make t

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 02:35:51 Felix Miata wrote: > Andrei POPESCU composed on 2019-08-28 09:10 (UTC+0300): > > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> What, in wheezy > > > > Do you mean Debian 7? > > > >> /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of > >> which box I put that drive

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 02:10:02 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 27 aug 19, 14:27:02, Gene Heskett wrote: > > What, in wheezy > > Do you mean Debian 7? > > > /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of > >which box I put that drive in? > > Try booting with 'net.ifnames=0

Re: udev being an ass

On Wednesday 28 August 2019 01:45:04 Felmon Davis wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: > >> (P.S. > >> Could we have posts without medical details. They make me feel > >> quesy). > > > > Life, fully lived, can and will have its queas

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 23:54:02 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:51:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrot

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 23:42:25 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:41:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene

Re: udev being an ass

Andrei POPESCU composed on 2019-08-28 09:10 (UTC+0300): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> What, in wheezy > Do you mean Debian 7? >> /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of >> which box I put that drive in? > Try booting with 'net.ifnames=0' on the kernel command line, thou

Re: udev being an ass

On Ma, 27 aug 19, 14:27:02, Gene Heskett wrote: > > What, in wheezy Do you mean Debian 7? > /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of >which box I put that drive in? Try booting with 'net.ifnames=0' on the kernel command line, though I'm not sure this works in wheezy

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: (P.S. Could we have posts without medical details. They make me feel quesy). Life, fully lived, can and will have its queasy moments. Perhaps you are overdue of an annual physical? I see Brian's poin

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:51:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > >

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:41:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today,

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > > > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:39:52 Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > I've just swapped machin

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 17:22:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > > lightning surge whi

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got na

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-write. > > If that file exists, it's used. Quotes in the file

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > > different psu's didn't r

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > > lightning surge whi

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-write. If that file exists, it's used. Quotes in the file are ignored. Valid content in the file is used to map various interfa

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I > swappe

Re: udev being an ass

On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > > different psu's didn't res

Re: udev being an ass

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I > swapped the wh

udev being an ass

Greetings all; I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I swapped the whole box except for the HD. But udevs UN-persistent rules have