Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:49:12 +0100, Lisi wrote in message <201204111549.12321.lisi.re...@gmail.com>: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 17:07:16 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:28:59 +0100, Lisi wrote in message > > > > <201204041128.59935.lisi.re...@gmail.com>: > > > On Wednesday 04 Apri

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-11 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Nicolas Bercher wrote: I get 2220 packages, (and 995 with "~i~M") No, the above command doesn't show automatically installed packages. sorry, but the link you gave: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html actually correspo

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-11 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 17:07:16 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:28:59 +0100, Lisi wrote in message > > <201204041128.59935.lisi.re...@gmail.com>: > > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by >

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:28:59 +0100, Lisi wrote in message <201204041128.59935.lisi.re...@gmail.com>: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by > >     default. > > ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*.

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-11 Thread Nicolas Bercher
Le 09/04/2012 11:12, Pierre Frenkiel a écrit : aptitude search ~i\!~M -F "%p" This shows manually and automatically installed packages. I get 2220 packages, (and 995 with "~i~M") No, the above command doesn't show automatically installed packages. Sorry, retry it without -F "%p" to

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-09 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Nicolas Bercher wrote: Did you upgrade aptitude first? Not after modifying the sources.list, I don't see that in the recommendations for upgrade, but nevertheless that seems a good thing to do (and for apt-get also) This might solve many problems. May-be, but it's

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-08 Thread Nicolas Bercher
On 21/03/2012 11:01, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. I started with only 1 line in sources.list: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-08 Thread Indulekha
In linux.debian.user, Charles Kroeger wrote: > > I don't have aptitude, never used it. Why would one need apt-get and aptitude > together? > As a debian user since 2003 I was so accustomed to using apt-get that I just stuck with it until squeeze, at which point curiosity compelled me to fool wi

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-07 Thread Charles Kroeger
> I never use it any other way. I tend to forget that it has an ncurses > mode. Which would explain why I thought that both apt and aptitude can be > used for day to day operations. I don't have aptitude, never used it. Why would one need apt-get and aptitude together? -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 08:28:33PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > funny. Now if it was a picture of two hippos in a river... that would > make perfect sense. :-) What about the poor hippo who kept swimming in circles after they kicked him off the hippo campus? -- "Religion is excellent stuff for

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-07 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 07 April 2012 11:28:33 Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 07/04/12 19:54, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 07 April 2012 00:39:58 Scott Ferguson wrote: > >>> That is about spelling, not grammar. Since requires the perfect tense. > >>> It is quite simply wrong in English to say "since installs".

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-07 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 07/04/12 19:54, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2012 00:39:58 Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> That is about spelling, not grammar. Since requires the perfect tense. >>> It is quite simply wrong in English to say "since installs". Leave >>> out the words "since Lenny", and "installs" becomes c

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-07 Thread Lisi
On Saturday 07 April 2012 00:39:58 Scott Ferguson wrote: > > That is about spelling, not grammar.  Since requires the perfect tense. > > It is quite simply wrong in English to say "since installs".  Leave > > out the words "since Lenny", and "installs" becomes correct, but loses > > some of the

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-07 Thread Lisi
On Friday 06 April 2012 23:43:37 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > One of the keys to "plain English" is brevity. ;-) > > > > > > http://www.dailywritingtips.com/?p=4904#comment-303296 > > > > That is about spelling, not grammar.  Since requires the perfect tense. > > It is > > It was supposed to be a

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012, Chris Bannister wrote: AIUI, no one knows *yet* whether aptitude or apt-get will be preferred for Wheezy until the usual testing takes place near the time of actual release. look at this (from the Debian Project News, 23 Jan 2012) http://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/2012/

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 07/04/12 05:54, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 06 April 2012 20:34:28 Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:38:29AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 04/04/12 07:46, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Note that apt-get *installs* recommended

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 07/04/12 05:34, Chris Bannister wrote: > > http://www.dailywritingtips.com/?p=4904#comment-303296 > You shouldn't have eaten those mushrooms. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.o

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 08:54:47PM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 06 April 2012 20:34:28 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:38:29AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > On 04/04/12 07:46, Lisi wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> Note tha

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Lisi
On Friday 06 April 2012 21:38:44 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 06 apr 12, 20:54:47, Lisi wrote: > > That is about spelling, not grammar. Since requires the perfect tense. > > It is quite simply wrong in English to say "since installs". Leave > > out the words "since Lenny", and "installs" be

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 06 apr 12, 20:54:47, Lisi wrote: > > That is about spelling, not grammar. Since requires the perfect tense. It is > quite simply wrong in English to say "since installs". Leave out the > words "since Lenny", and "installs" becomes correct, but loses some of the > intended meaning.

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 04 apr 12, 02:01:41, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > For a start it is possibly all just hot air unless it is discussed on > > the debian-doc list and/or a patch submitted against the debian-faq > > package. I know that you ar

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Lisi
On Friday 06 April 2012 20:34:28 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:38:29AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > On 04/04/12 07:46, Lisi wrote: > > > On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >> Note that apt-get *installs* recommended packages by default since > > >

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 11:38:29AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 04/04/12 07:46, Lisi wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> Note that apt-get *installs* recommended packages by default since > >> Lenny and starting with Squeeze is the preferred program to

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-05 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag, 5. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 18:58:07 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > > > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages > > > > by

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude (now with added apt)

2012-04-05 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 05/04/12 18:45, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 05 apr 12, 09:05:53, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 05/04/12 04:24, Martin Steigerwald wrote: >>> >>> It would be nice if I could now whether I installed a packages manually >>> via dpkg -i and m-a a-i, well which uses dpkg, it whether apt-get or >>>

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude (now with added apt)

2012-04-05 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 05 apr 12, 09:05:53, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 05/04/12 04:24, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > It would be nice if I could now whether I installed a packages manually > > via dpkg -i and m-a a-i, well which uses dpkg, it whether apt-get or > > aptitude installed it, i.e. whether I inst

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude (now with added apt)

2012-04-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 05/04/12 04:24, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Scott Ferguson: >>> Hope this explains, >> > > It would be nice if I could now whether I installed a packages manually > via dpkg -i and m-a a-i, well which uses dpkg, it whether apt-get or > aptitude installed

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 19:00:44 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 12:14:55 Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > ... since Lenny, apt-get will continue to install recommended > > > packages by default. So I believe "has" is redundant, eve

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 18:58:07 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >  Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by > > > > > >     default. > > > > ...since Lenny, apt-get *h

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Scott Ferguson: > > Hope this explains, > > Thanks. > Sort of explains things to me - I'm still lost as to why I'd want to > remove packages for which no repository is currently listed in > /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list > Packages that c

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 2. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > On Monday 02 April 2012 22:15:08 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > As I understand it the latest recommendation is to use apt-get from > > command line and aptitude interactively. > > Ah! Do you not use aptitude at the command line? Is that what you are > saying?

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 2. April 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: > On Lu, 02 apr 12, 17:32:44, Lisi wrote: > > On Monday 02 April 2012 10:48:24 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > I'd suggest this instead: > > > > > > Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages by default > > > and is, for its robustness, the

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 12:14:55 Scott Ferguson wrote: > > ... since Lenny, apt-get will continue to install recommended > > packages by default. So I believe "has" is redundant, even though > > it's correct. > > What is wrong with : > > Apt-get will

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 4. April 2012 schrieb Lisi: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by > > > > default. > > ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*.. Why? It still does. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 12:14:55 Scott Ferguson wrote: > ... since Lenny, apt-get will continue to install recommended packages > by default.  So I believe "has" is redundant, even though it's correct. What is wrong with : Apt-get will continue to install recommended packages by default. Wh

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/04/12 20:28, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by >> default. > > ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*.. > > ;-) > Lisi > > Even trickier - since Lenny developers have been

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/04/12 19:01, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 04 apr 12, 11:38:29, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> My suggestions:- >> >> 1. rephrased for clarity, but hardly succin*c*t. >> Note that since Lenny, apt-get installs recommended[*1] packages by default. >> Beginning with the release of Squeeze[*2], apt i

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 10:01:47 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Note that since Lenny, apt-get *installs* recommended packages by >     default. ...since Lenny, apt-get *has installed*.. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 04 April 2012 02:38:29 Scott Ferguson wrote: > 2. How I'd write it:- > Apt is the recommended program to perform system installation and major > system upgrades.[*3] > > 3. To avoid confusion people should read the fine Debian documentation > in their native language. :-) +1 Lisi

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 apr 12, 11:38:29, Scott Ferguson wrote: > My suggestions:- > > 1. rephrased for clarity, but hardly succint. > Note that since Lenny, apt-get installs recommended[*1] packages by default. > Beginning with the release of Squeeze[*2], apt is the recommended > program to perform system inst

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 apr 12, 10:58:52, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Sort of explains things to me - I'm still lost as to why I'd want to > remove packages for which no repository is currently listed in > /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list > Packages that custom packages, packages for which the

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/04/12 07:46, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Note that apt-get *installs* recommended packages by default since >> Lenny and starting with Squeeze is the preferred program to perform >> system installation and major system upgrades. > > Note

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/04/12 07:25, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 03 apr 12, 10:40:45, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 03/04/12 08:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I only use aptitude from command line for things such as >>> >>> aptitude purge ~o >>> >>> which are impossible to achieve with apt-get alone and

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-03 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 03 April 2012 22:35:00 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Note that apt-get *installs* recommended packages by default since >     Lenny and starting with Squeeze is the preferred program to perform >     system installation and major system upgrades. Note that apt-get *has installed* recommended

Re: debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 apr 12, 02:01:41, Chris Bannister wrote: > > For a start it is possibly all just hot air unless it is discussed on > the debian-doc list and/or a patch submitted against the debian-faq > package. I know that you are involved in translations and hence have > some influence/knowledge so I

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 03 apr 12, 10:40:45, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 03/04/12 08:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Yes, I only use aptitude from command line for things such as > > > > aptitude purge ~o > > > > which are impossible to achieve with apt-get alone and not easy even if > > you combine it wit

debian-faq (was ... Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude)

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 12:48:24PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > I'd suggest this instead: > > Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages by default and > is, for its robustness, the preferred program for package management > from console, to perform system installation, an

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 03/04/12 08:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 02 apr 12, 22:28:18, Lisi wrote: >> On Monday 02 April 2012 22:15:08 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>> As I understand it the latest recommendation is to use apt-get from >>> command line and aptitude interactively. >> >> Ah! Do you not use aptitude at the

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 02 apr 12, 22:28:18, Lisi wrote: > On Monday 02 April 2012 22:15:08 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > As I understand it the latest recommendation is to use apt-get from > > command line and aptitude interactively. > > Ah! Do you not use aptitude at the command line? Is that what you are > sayin

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20120402_083627, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Paul E Condon wrote: > > >> Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages as default and is, > >> for its robustness, the preferred program for package management from > >> console to perform system installation and

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Lisi
On Monday 02 April 2012 22:15:08 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > As I understand it the latest recommendation is to use apt-get from > command line and aptitude interactively. Ah! Do you not use aptitude at the command line? Is that what you are saying? I never use it any other way. I tend to forget

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 02 apr 12, 17:32:44, Lisi wrote: > On Monday 02 April 2012 10:48:24 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > I'd suggest this instead: > > > >     Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages by default and > >     is, for its robustness, the preferred program for package management > >     from con

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Lisi
On Monday 02 April 2012 10:48:24 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > I'd suggest this instead: > >     Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages by default and >     is, for its robustness, the preferred program for package management >     from console, to perform system installation, and major syst

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> I don't understand what you mean here, could you please elaborate? > > >  Yes I can... > >  All the discussion started about the following sentence in section 4.4.6 >  of the Squeeze Release Not

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: I don't understand what you mean here, could you please elaborate? Yes I can... All the discussion started about the following sentence in section 4.4.6 of the Squeeze Release Notes: The upgrade process for other releases recommended the

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: I don't think this is necessary, the upgrade from a prior release to the next is to be done by following the corresponding release notes anyway. I agree, It's exactly what is written in the Squeeze release notes for the upgrade to Lenny. Not

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 02 apr 12, 09:10:54, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > I would admit I have made a mistake if didn't find that my > interpretation is conform to what is written in the releases notes > > >>Please follow the instructions in the Release Notes for Debian > >>GNU/Linux 5.0 to upgrade to 5.0 first

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 01 apr 12, 20:45:02, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > So, I persist to say that the 2 sentences are contradictory. I'll > propose a slight modification to remove this contradiction: > > 1/ in 4.4.6, replace > > The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of > aptitude f

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Lisi wrote: Why "curiously"? I didn't answer most of your ludicrous assertions. In that case, this "ludicrous assertion" is not from me, but from the releases notes. It's easier to ignore what you can't answer, and replace that with insults, the most ignominious for

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Lisi
On Monday 02 April 2012 08:10:54 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Lisi wrote: > > I give you: "Pasteur used to recommend that people should wash their > > hands frequently" is a use of the past tense that clearly says that that > > statement is no longer true. > > I would admit I have

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-02 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Lisi wrote: I give you: "Pasteur used to recommend that people should wash their hands frequently" is a use of the past tense that clearly says that that statement is no longer true. I would admit I have made a mistake if didn't find that my interpretation is conform to wh

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-01 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Paul E Condon wrote: Note that apt-get now installs recommended packages as default and is, for its robustness, the preferred program for package management from console to perform system installation and major system upgrades to releases posterior to Lenn

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-01 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20120401_204502, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: > > >Tenses are often very difficult for non-native speakers of English to > >understand. > > It's funny. Do you really think that the the meaning of the past > tense is different in other languages!? > IMO, your interp

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-01 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 01 April 2012 19:45:02 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: > > Tenses are often very difficult for non-native speakers of English to > > understand. > > It's funny. Do you really think that the the meaning of the past tense > is different in other languages!? Yes, p

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-04-01 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: Tenses are often very difficult for non-native speakers of English to understand. It's funny. Do you really think that the the meaning of the past tense is different in other languages!? IMO, your interpretation of the past tense is wrong: The fact that a sta

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-28 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 28 March 2012 14:55:20 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > How exactly does this contradict the Release Notes? > > 1/ The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of aptitude > for the upgrade. > > This is in chapter 4: Upgrades f

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 28 mar 12, 15:55:20, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >How exactly does this contradict the Release Notes? > > > 1/ The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of aptitude > for the upgrade. "recommended" (past tense) > This is

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-28 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: How exactly does this contradict the Release Notes? 1/ The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of aptitude for the upgrade. This is in chapter 4: Upgrades from Lenny, so seems to actually apply to major system upgrades. 2/

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 28 mar 12, 10:56:49, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >The release note "4.4.6. Upgrading the system" has: > >http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full > >The upgrade process for other releases recommended the use of aptitude > >for the upgrade. Thi

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-28 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, Osamu Aoki wrote: So your experience is that apt-get is better for such case :-) cf below The release note "4.4.6. Upgrading the system" has: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full The upgrade process for other re

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-26 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 21. März 2012 schrieb Pierre Frenkiel: > hi, > I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several > places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried > with it. I started with only 1 line in sources.list: > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wh

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:01:38AM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi, > I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places > that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. > I started with only 1 line in sources.list: > deb http://ftp.fr.debi

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-22 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 21/03/12 22:22, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: I've managed to mislay your follow up after having read it. It would have helped if you had not copied me in. But no, I do not agree that that is what the manual means. It says - and means - that aptitud

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: I've managed to mislay your follow up after having read it. It would have helped if you had not copied me in. But no, I do not agree that that is what the manual means. It says - and means - that aptitude dist-upgrade will still work

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: Eqivalent does not equal identical. "Equivalent" alone woukd be ambiguous. wiktionary.org says: similar or identical in value, meaning or effect; virtually equal but the aptitude man is not ambiguous: This command was originally named dist-upgrade

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:01:38 +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several > places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, The advice on what to use seems to change from time to time :-) > I first tried with it. I started with only 1

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 21/03/12 11:01, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: I then issued: "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all worked perfectly, in less than 30 minutes. Awesome! I had a vm machine that i was trying to upgrade and it failed every time. I blamed the vm... then i noticed i was trying to upgrade it with aptitude ful

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 13:42:24 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > but anyway then are not equivalent. Eqivalent does not equal identical. If they were identical there would be no point in having the two of them. None the less they are equivalent, in that if you are upgrading to a higher version of

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Lisi wrote: aptitude full-upgrade is the equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade. aptitude safe-upgrade has different checks. It is what is written in the man, but experience shows this is not true. After installing kernel 3.2 I tried both: apt-get dist-upgrade, which ga

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Pierre, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places > that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. > My question: is it better to also revert to apt-get for package management, > or is the problem specific to

Re: upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 10:01:38 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi, > I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places > that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. > I started with only 1 line in sources.list: > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/deb

upgrade to Wheezy fails with aptitude

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
hi, I wanted to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, and as I saw in several places that aptitude should be preferred to apt-get, I first tried with it. I started with only 1 line in sources.list: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and tried several times "aptitude