Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-21 Thread state angel
Another note, GRUB2 is more similar to Lilo than you think. They're both boot loaders. Of course they're similar. But they have some serious differences. Serious enough that many folks, such as myself, choose to stick with LILO. Good luck in patching LILO to work without a

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-21 04:03 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/20/2013 4:30 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: MIPS and ARM machines don't have a traditional BIOS either, Yes, that was my point. You'll probably never see UEFI on these platforms. So LILO could be used basically forever. Hardly, because LILO

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/21/2013 2:20 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-05-21 04:03 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/20/2013 4:30 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: MIPS and ARM machines don't have a traditional BIOS either, Yes, that was my point. You'll probably never see UEFI on these platforms. So LILO could be

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put their support behind GRUB2 which allows for (please correct me, if I'm wrong) features like UEFI support and better support for

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/20/2013 1:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put their support behind GRUB2 which allows for (please correct me, if I'm wrong) features like

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-20 10:44 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/20/2013 1:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put their support behind GRUB2 which allows for

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 19 May 2013 22:57:28 -0400 (EDT), staticsafe wrote: Althought the vga=ext option is deprecated with the linux command in Grub2, it is still available with the linux16 command in Grub2 as it is with the linux command in Grub-legacy. If Grub2 displays vga=ext is deprecated. Use set

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 19 May 2013 23:15:54 -0400 (EDT), Dirk wrote: but... i ask myself: /why/ i am supposed to read and memorize all this when even /lilo/ is still working...? lilo, then grub, then grub2... no real change in functionality... a kernel gets booted.. that's it... but all three function

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 20 May 2013 02:48:55 -0400 (EDT), Sven wrote: Good luck in patching LILO to work without a BIOS. It is true that lilo requires a BIOS interface. However, many EFI/UEFI machines also provide a BIOS for forward compatibility; so lilo may still work. However, for those EFI/UEFI machines

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/20/2013 4:30 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-05-20 10:44 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/20/2013 1:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2013-05-20 07:26 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: The Debian developers (and many other distros) have chosen to put

vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread Dirk
hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i found online surely doesn't work... so i reverted to grub-legacy... doesn't anybody check the crap that makes it into debian anymore? because when

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:59:43AM +0200, Dirk wrote: hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i found online surely doesn't work... what branch of debian do you use ? if you are using now

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread sp113438
On Mon, 20 May 2013 02:59:43 +0200 Dirk noi...@pwnoogle.com wrote: hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i found online surely doesn't work... so i reverted to grub-legacy...

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread staticsafe
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:59:43AM +0200, Dirk wrote: hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i found online surely doesn't work... so i reverted to grub-legacy... doesn't anybody

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread Dirk
On 05/20/13 04:57, staticsafe wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:59:43AM +0200, Dirk wrote: hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i found online surely doesn't work... so i reverted to

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread staticsafe
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 05:15:54AM +0200, Dirk wrote: On 05/20/13 04:57, staticsafe wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:59:43AM +0200, Dirk wrote: hello, do I see that right that vga=ask has been removed in grub2 without offering a working replacement? because all those gfxpayload=bla bs i

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/19/2013 11:04 PM, staticsafe wrote: You can use Lilo if you so choose, I do. but don't expect integration (specifically kernel package installation scripts). I don't. I roll my own kernels sans initrd. lilo in MBR, vmlinuz in ext2 /boot partition. The Debian developers (and many

Re: vga=ask doesn't work anymore

2013-05-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 00:26 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: They're both boot loaders. Of course they're similar. But they have some serious differences. Serious enough that many folks, such as myself, choose to stick with LILO. If I had to come up with one word to describe today's LILO users,