Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-23 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/22/2010 9:56 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: This is the exception that proves the rule. I still think that doing it under an AMD64 or Intel x86_64 is probably futile under the current state-of -the-art. Nested virtualization is *not* the point or objective of the exercise - enabling

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-23 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:49:42 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ferguson wrote: On 23/09/10 06:14, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote: I am probably way late on this one, but that maneuver is a nonstarter. Nested Virtualization is very difficult and kind of

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/09/10 00:51, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:49:42 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ferguson wrote: On 23/09/10 06:14, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote: I am probably way late on this one, but that maneuver is a nonstarter. Nested

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-23 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/23/2010 9:51 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:49:42 -0400 (EDT), Scott Ferguson wrote: On 23/09/10 06:14, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote: I am probably way late on this one, but that maneuver is a nonstarter. Nested

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/21/2010 6:51 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: To satisfy my curiosity I have been trying (without success) to get Debian installed and running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC. What I have discovered is that:- 1. If you run Windoof 7 in VirtualBox (under Debian) it runs fine - given an inordinate amount

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/21/2010 6:51 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Someone with more knowledge of the history of Virtual PC may be able to explain those similarities. Microsoft did not create VPC, they bought it from Connectix. It's provenance probably includes a lot of old code from various places. I used to

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote: I am probably way late on this one, but that maneuver is a nonstarter. Nested Virtualization is very difficult and kind of pointless. A few security researchers[0] have done it, mostly as a stunt to prove a technical point, but

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Mark Allums
On 9/22/2010 3:14 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: That may be true for some virtualization software, but not for all. My day job is as a system programmer for IBM mainframe systems, and among my duties is responsibility for a z/VM system. In z/VM, nested virtualization is not difficult, pointless, or

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/10 05:29, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/21/2010 6:51 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: To satisfy my curiosity I have been trying (without success) to get Debian installed and running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC. What I have discovered is that:- 1. If you run Windoof 7 in VirtualBox (under Debian)

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/10 05:34, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/21/2010 6:51 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Someone with more knowledge of the history of Virtual PC may be able to explain those similarities. Microsoft did not create VPC, they bought it from Connectix. It's provenance probably includes a lot of

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/10 06:14, Stephen Powell wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT), Mark Allums wrote: I am probably way late on this one, but that maneuver is a nonstarter. Nested Virtualization is very difficult and kind of pointless. A few security researchers[0] have done it, mostly as

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/09/10 07:38, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/22/2010 3:14 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: That may be true for some virtualization software, but not for all. My day job is as a system programmer for IBM mainframe systems, and among my duties is responsibility for a z/VM system. In z/VM, nested

Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
Regarding post ps - illegal instruction by Jerry Stuckle To satisfy my curiosity I have been trying (without success) to get Debian installed and running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC. What I have discovered is that:- 1. If you run Windoof 7 in VirtualBox (under Debian) it runs fine - given an

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-21 Thread John Hasler
Scott Ferguson writes: 3. It would require reverse-engineering - which is bad No it isn't. I noted that Microsoft claims that it is illegal, but that is not the same thing at all. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/09/10 22:59, John Hasler wrote: Scott Ferguson writes: 3. It would require reverse-engineering - which is bad No it isn't. I noted that Microsoft claims that it is illegal, but that is not the same thing at all. :-D Agreed John, hence my comment a little further down about either I

Re: Debian not running in Windoof 7 Virtual PC (in VirtualBox)

2010-09-21 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
On Tuesday 21 September 2010 15:34:41 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/09/10 22:59, John Hasler wrote: Scott Ferguson writes: 3. It would require reverse-engineering - which is bad No it isn't. I noted that Microsoft claims that it is illegal, but that is not the same thing at all. Bad is