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Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Buddha Buck wrote: OK, rip it to shreds. Thank you for making such a proposal. If I were a DD, I would second it to get it on the ballot -- because I think it's a clear proposal worth voting on -- and then I would vote against it because I think it's the wrong way to go. :-) -- There are

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: Having the full source code (and not something obfuscted beyond recognition) for a computer program so we are able to fix bugs and, if necessary, fork it, seems to be essential to what we're doing, namely providing the world with a operating system that rocks (and is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: However, it is very hard to determine and carve in stone the 'point of no return' for a release, especially as we are still experimenting with the way we do releases. But I guess we could have the release manager officially declare a point somewhere in the middle of the

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Umm, I have nothing but proprietary hardware. Never had any non-proprietary Hardware. most people don't. Indeed, is there such a thing as non-proprietary hardware? Yes. It's not at *all* common, but if you have completely freely implementable/modifiable specs for

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:01:29AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Hmm. How about an image provided as a binary pixmap dumped as hex and embedded into a C source file? :-) (Yes, I found one.) Would that qaulify as sufficiently removed from the native form to be an incredible pain in the

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:26:18PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: You'd find even less people who'd design fonts. And I don't know how many would just modify a given font or rather create a new one from scratch. For the record, I have created a font (this was an apl font, back in the mid 90s).

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2004-05-06 Thread license
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Re: PHP License 3.0 (was: oh)

2004-05-06 Thread MJ Ray
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Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 4 May 2004 00:16:25 +0200, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Since Craig's proposal [1] seems to have gotten enough seconds [2], let me summarize it while giving a new concise title and a new thread. Excuse me if I am biased. If you want to see this adopted as the

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco P. Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry for my bad english, but that's exactly my point of view: not all software can be truly free without a free hardware. At kernel level if anyone would get a working system, he has to accept some compromises. And those compromises could be

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Real* firmware is not software. But *real* firmware is *firm*, that is, you can't change it easily: it's in a ROM. And nobody is asking us to distribute it. Now there's a bizarre twist on the idea that everything is software. I don't know

Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi again, I made the minor updates on the rationale. Following Manoj's suggestion, let me ask followings: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? * Those whose name appear but not seconding resolution,

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal requirement for rationales to be seconded. Personally, I don't agree

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? i am happy with this version of my amendment and the rationale for it. * Those whose name appear but not

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:10:37PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal

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Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Buddha Buck wrote: OK, rip it to shreds. Thank you for making such a proposal. If I were a DD, I would second it to get it on the ballot -- because I think it's a clear proposal worth voting on -- and then I would vote against it because I think it's the wrong way to go. :-) -- There are

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: Having the full source code (and not something obfuscted beyond recognition) for a computer program so we are able to fix bugs and, if necessary, fork it, seems to be essential to what we're doing, namely providing the world with a operating system that rocks (and is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: However, it is very hard to determine and carve in stone the 'point of no return' for a release, especially as we are still experimenting with the way we do releases. But I guess we could have the release manager officially declare a point somewhere in the middle of the

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Umm, I have nothing but proprietary hardware. Never had any non-proprietary Hardware. most people don't. Indeed, is there such a thing as non-proprietary hardware? Yes. It's not at *all* common, but if you have completely freely implementable/modifiable specs for

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:01:29AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Michael Banck wrote: In contrast, having the possibilty to modify $APPLICATION's stock 'File-Open' icon in its native form, i.e. gimp layers or whatever seems to be of less importance by several orders of magnitude, as long

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:01:29AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Hmm. How about an image provided as a binary pixmap dumped as hex and embedded into a C source file? :-) (Yes, I found one.) Would that qaulify as sufficiently removed from the native form to be an incredible pain in the

Re: First Draft proposal for modification of Debian Free Software Guidelines:

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 02:26:18PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: You'd find even less people who'd design fonts. And I don't know how many would just modify a given font or rather create a new one from scratch. For the record, I have created a font (this was an apl font, back in the mid 90s).

Debian-vote

2004-05-06 Thread Arthur-Olin
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PHP License 3.0 (was: oh)

2004-05-06 Thread license
The PHP License, version 3.0 Copyright (c) 1999 - 2002 The PHP Group. All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary

Re: PHP License 3.0 (was: oh)

2004-05-06 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-05-06 17:38:17 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PHP License, version 3.0 Copyright (c) 1999 - 2002 The PHP Group. All rights reserved. You may like to fix your autoresponder, PHP.net

Re Your Vicodin refill is ready

2004-05-06 Thread Sheldon L. Elder
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Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Francesco P. Lovergine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry for my bad english, but that's exactly my point of view: not all software can be truly free without a free hardware. At kernel level if anyone would get a working system, he has to accept some compromises. And those compromises could be

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-05-06 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Real* firmware is not software. But *real* firmware is *firm*, that is, you can't change it easily: it's in a ROM. And nobody is asking us to distribute it. Now there's a bizarre twist on the idea that everything is software. I don't know

Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi again, I made the minor updates on the rationale. Following Manoj's suggestion, let me ask followings: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? * Those whose name appear but not seconding resolution,

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal requirement for rationales to be seconded. Personally, I don't agree

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? i am happy with this version of my amendment and the rationale for it. * Those whose name appear but not

Re: Summary: Proposal - Rescind GR 2004-003

2004-05-06 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 07:10:37PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 01:06:00AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: * Can Craig and people who seconded original proposal [2] to second this as the formal rationale for Craig's proposal [1]? There doesn't seem to be any formal

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2004-05-06 Thread E.
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