Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
Truly, there is no justice. I love this project! On Friday 18 February 2005 09:31 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Thanks Ean. I read this and figure that you are certainly someone who > shouldn't get my vote, since you can't keep someone with the same last > name, who you recruited, aware of wh

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Truly, there is no justice. Justice? You didn't answer the basic point, which I find interesting, since, after all, you brought it up. Why didn't the payee of this check ask you instead of Branden? Do you not communicate? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Christian T. Steigies
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 09:00:55PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > All of you volunteers just remember: If you spend money out of your own > pocket > to help Debian and want to be repaid you are an evil idiot. If you complain > after not getting paid for six months you are a naggy grouser. If

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:12:59AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: All of you volunteers just remember: If you spend money out of your own pocket to help Debian and want to be repaid you are an evil idiot. If you complain after not getting paid for six months you are a naggy grouser. If you i

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Your comment was mildly funny, but I'd like to remind you of the > importance of solidarity in a project like this. Moshe said to love thy > neighbor via constructive acts, even if you personally hate him. > Brainfood, and Ean personally, have contri

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:04:48AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Truly, there is no justice. Of course not, don't be silly. "Justice" is an excuse used by people seeking revenge; the universe has no real interest in it. Neither is there such a thing as "fair". -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux **

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:04:48AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > Truly, there is no justice. > > Of course not, don't be silly. "Justice" is an excuse used by people > seeking revenge; the universe has no real interest in it. Neither is > there suc

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:49:05AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:04:48AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > > Truly, there is no justice. > > > > Of course not, don't be silly. "Justice" is an excuse used by people >

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I didn't even put them in that order, why on earth would anybody think > that one follows from the other? That's a semicolon, not a colon. So there is no connection between the two as far as you're concerned? Do you have an argument for either? Or a

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On a single day: - My mother sent Branden another reminder to pay SPI's very late postage bill. - Branden posted a message to the list saying he finally paid it. - I read Branden's message and said "huzzah!". What is your question? ps. This is all after repeated reminders and invoices by physica

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - My mother sent Branden another reminder to pay SPI's very late postage bill. > - Branden posted a message to the list saying he finally paid it. > - I read Branden's message and said "huzzah!". > What is your question? Branden's implication on IRC w

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:48:50AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I didn't even put them in that order, why on earth would anybody think > > that one follows from the other? That's a semicolon, not a colon. > > So there is no connection betwe

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Do you have an argument for either? > > Points that stand unchallenged do not require arguments. To do so > would be a waste of valuable time. Figure it out for yourself, anyway. Having just challenged the one and pointed out the irrelevance and ob

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Saturday 19 February 2005 02:30 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Branden's implication on IRC was that he had already paid it when he > got the note from your mother, and that you had already said Huzzah! > when your mother sent the reminder, suggesting that you and she don't > communicate very

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:34:34PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Do you have an argument for either? > > > > Points that stand unchallenged do not require arguments. To do so > > would be a waste of valuable time. Figure it out for yoursel

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A strained suggestion at best. A promise from SPI to pay is not the > same as a check in hand. My Mom doesn't read spi-private. Worst case > scenerio, I did not run into my Mom's office and shout "they paid!" > the second I read Branden's post. Branden

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
Whoops. I misworded that. Branden must have failed to copy my Mother about cutting the check. He only told the list. Otherwise, why would she write him an email? Sorry. On Saturday 19 February 2005 02:48 pm, Ean Schuessler wrote: > It mostly indicates that Branden did not copy my Mother on his m

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Branden must have failed to copy my Mother about cutting the check. He only > told the list. Otherwise, why would she write him an email? Because she didn't bother asking you? But that's not the point. The question is, why didn't you clear this up di

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Saturday 19 February 2005 03:31 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Because she didn't bother asking you? But that's not the point. About sending the check? > The question is, why didn't you clear this up directly with Branden? Ok, I'm game. Why? ps. Who's on first? -- Ean Schuessler, CTO Br

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ok, I'm game. Why? I know you want this to be all about Branden. But what I see is that you took a brief thing on IRC, and decided it was a Big Issue. Indeed, you didn't have all the facts straight when you did so, and you proceeded to try and get peo

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I don't see a conclusion anytime soon here but I'll try once more. - Branden failed to cash hundreds of donation checks for Debian. - I spent money out of my own pocket to mail apologies to the people who donated the money in the first place. - Those letters were in fact sent. - SPI would not

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Philippe Troin
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday 19 February 2005 02:30 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Branden's implication on IRC was that he had already paid it when he > > got the note from your mother, and that you had already said Huzzah! > > when your mother sent the reminder, s

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread John Goerzen
Ean, It is true that SPI still is not performing like it should be. It is also true that SPI has never performed like it should in its entire history. SPI has been dysfunctional from its very beginning. It's also been short on manpower through its entire lifespan. For whatever reason, SPI has

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - When at last a check was cut Branden made it a point to complain publicly > about how incompetent my company was because it asked for a check to be cut. That isn't what his complaint was. We can all read what he said. > My problem is that SPI i

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Ean Schuessler
I haven't been on the SPI board since July. On Saturday 19 February 2005 05:56 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > My problem is that SPI is still non-performant to any reasonable > > professional standard and that I am being bad-mouthed publicly by > > its representatives when I ask for simple tas

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:48:36PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > On Saturday 19 February 2005 02:30 pm, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Branden's implication on IRC was that he had already paid it when he > > got the note from your mother, and that you had already said Huzzah! > > when your mother

Debian Project Leader Elections

2005-02-19 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, We are in the final week of the nomination period for candidates for the position of the Debian Project Leader.=20 The new project leader term starts on April 17th, and that sets the time line: Nomination period: Feb 7th 00:00:01 UTC -- Feb 28th 00:00:00 UTC Campaigning