Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
Seconded. > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:55:43AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > > Debian and the GNU Free Documentation License > > > = > > > > > > This is the position of Debian Project about the GNU Free > > > Documentation License as published by the

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:33:36AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > And please, I don't want to see answers saying that the documentation > can be put in non-free, because, due the the debian policy, `kde` > meta-package (same is true for gnome) beeing in main, cannot depend > upon the non free k

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:53:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:37:37AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > So, I've updated the wiki [0] in response to most of the suggestions > > on the list so far. > Okay, given the lack of further response (except for dato's alternate >

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:55:43AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > I propose an amendment to this GR, consisting in replacing the > existing text with the one below. I initially tried to follow Seconded. Hamish > ---8<--- > > Deb

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Ven 13 Janvier 2006 00:09, martin f krafft a écrit : > also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.10.0455 +0100]: > > Formally, the Debian Project will include in the main section > > of its distribution works licensed under the GNU Free Documentation > > License that include n

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Luk Claes
martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.10.0455 +0100]: > >> Formally, the Debian Project will include in the main section of >> its distribution works licensed under the GNU Free Documentation >> License that include no Invariant Sections, no Co

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.01.10.0455 +0100]: > Formally, the Debian Project will include in the main section of > its distribution works licensed under the GNU Free Documentation > License that include no Invariant Sections, no Cover Texts, no > Acknowl

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Jeu 12 Janvier 2006 22:28, Christopher Martin a écrit : > I second the proposal quoted below. and I do the same. > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:55:43AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Debian and the GNU Free Documentation License > > = > > > > This is

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 08:53:04PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: > Having invariant sections (or any other non-free stuff) in main could > be seen as a betrayal of the people who chose the license. This is not about invariant sections. This is about the other bugs in the GFDL the FSF has not fixed (ye

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Christopher Martin
I second the proposal quoted below. I'm following debian-vote through the archives, so if you wish to reply or comment to me specifically, CC me. Christopher Martin On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:55:43AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > Debian and the GNU Free Documentation License > =

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Roland Mas
Adeodato Simó, 2006-01-12 15:10:40 +0100 : [...] > (Or in other words: perhaps it's only me, okay, but I can't help, > at all, feel that ripping out of main documentation that their > authors intended to be free, and made their best-effort to achieve > that, like a form of betrayal. Apolo

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:06:49PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Anthony Towns [Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:45:19 +1000]: > > > What documents would this effort actually let us keep, anyway? All the > > FSF stuff for glibc, gcc, make and so on includes invariant sections > > anyway, no? > > Right, FS

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-12 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russ Allbery wrote: > Well, that's a reason to second an amendment that says that the GFDL *is* > DFSG-free, so that it's explicitly a choice, and so that a vote for more > discussion is clearly not a vote for that position. > > However, what's kept

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060112 15:09]: >> (Or in other words: perhaps it's only me, okay, but I can't help, at >> all, feel that ripping out of main documentation that their authors >>

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 03:06:49PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Anthony Towns [Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:45:19 +1000]: > > What documents would this effort actually let us keep, anyway? All the > > FSF stuff for glibc, gcc, make and so on includes invariant sections > > anyway, no? > Right, FSF stuf

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Adeodato Simó <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060112 15:09]: > (Or in other words: perhaps it's only me, okay, but I can't help, at > all, feel that ripping out of main documentation that their authors > intended to be free, and made their best-effort to achieve that, like > a form of betrayal. It

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Anthony Towns [Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:45:19 +1000]: > What documents would this effort actually let us keep, anyway? All the > FSF stuff for glibc, gcc, make and so on includes invariant sections > anyway, no? Right, FSF stuff goes away. OTOH, I feel utterly ashamed each time I imagine the pos

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-12 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Proposal below seconded. It seems that my Gnus settings do not work correctly for most people (including devotee), if I try to send out GPG'd ISO-8859-1 emails. This should be verifiable by all. Seconding t

Re: Amendment: invariant-less in main (Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement)

2006-01-12 Thread Adeodato Simó
* MJ Ray [Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:24:52 +]: > Also, this fails to address the security ban and the forced > Transparent downloads/availability. 'Cause this amendment is not about trying to engage in legal-type discussion about whether those two can be work-arounded or not. It's: "we regard

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-12 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony Towns writes: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:37:37AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> So, I've updated the wiki [0] in response to most of the suggestions >> on the list so far. > > Okay, given the lack of further response (except for dato's alte

Re: GR Proposal: GFDL statement

2006-01-12 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony Towns writes: > Okay, given the lack of further response (except for dato's alternate > proposal!), I've tweaked the wording one more time, and I think this > is the final version. Seconds appreciated. > > I propose the Debian project release