Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38:45AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:51:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > [...] > > > But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I > > > would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted > > > in the second

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:40:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware > > > issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; > > > > So, what progres

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:56:27AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:54 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free > >> softw

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:05:33PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > I thought accepting the amendment would imply a second, but if this is > not the case: In fact, by accepting the amendment, you remain the proposer of the amended resolution. So you can't second it, the seconds have to come fro

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:38:45 +0200, Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:51:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: [...] >> > But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I >> > would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted >> > in t

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:38:16PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >, >| 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software >| community (Social Contract #4); >| 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel >| firmware issue; however, it is not yet

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 01:38:16PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> | 4. We give priority to the timely release of Etch over sorting every > >> | bit out; for this reason, we will t

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-28 Thread Denis Barbier
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:51:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > > But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I > > would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted > > in the second paragraph above by recalling our Project Leader, as > > allowed by our Co

Call for Vote [Re: Splitting out Choice #1 from vote_004]

2006-09-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006, Don Armstrong wrote: > Baring objection, I plan on calling for a vote with a suggested > balot containing only this option in a few days (no later than > 09-27). As the Secretary has indicated that amendment proposed by Frans Pop would be disparate from this one (and the simil

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, I thought accepting the amendment would imply a second, but if this is not the case: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknow

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:45:54AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > fs, this is contrary to what we where trying to achieve, i would like to know > why you seconded this. What we want to archive, is release etch in time, being installable on all hardware supported upstream. From the discussion

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:54 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free >> software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that >> there is a

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-28 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hi, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:40:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware > > issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; > > So, what progress has been made? For example: - the firmware_class infrastructure has been adde

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:45:54AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > fs, this is contrary to what we where trying to achieve, i would like to know > why you seconded this. Did he ? Frederik accepted the amendment but did not second it as far as I see. Cheers, -- Bill. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Imagine a la

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Frank Küster
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> | 4. We give priority to the timely release of Etch over sorting every >> | bit out; for this reason, we will treat removal of sourceless >> | firmware as a best-effort process, a

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:48:49AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:56:40PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2006-09-27, Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > >> 2. We acknowledge that there is a lo

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:56:40PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2006-09-27, Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > >> 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware > >> issue; however, it is not y

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > | firmware issue; however, it is not

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > I was not aware that Frederik's proposal was for the Debian > project to give carte blanche to the kernel team to distribute > whatever the upstream kernel has, even if it is a major regression in > the freedom

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've previously seconded another amendment, maybe too quickly, and then considered withdrawing the seconding because of the meeting during next weekend and the promised new proposal. For that other amendment, it doesn't matter anyway since it didn't get

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-28 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second the following amendment: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it i