Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There is a lamentable personal dispute between Sven Luther and some other developers. There have been some attempts at reconciliation and various offers, but none have succeeded in ending this dispute. Two recent significant actions have been: (a)

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. However, Sven Luther should be allowed onto lists where Q posters request it, where Q is half of the square root of the number of posters last month. Does this place an undue burden on the listmasters? -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Sven Luther is suspended from all debian lists for a year, which should be similar to (b), because the project generally liked his two-month self-suspension and wishes not to receive his discussion contributions at the moment. [...] 3. Sven Luther is

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 11:50 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: - START OF PROPOSAL We resolve that:- 1. Sven Luther is suspended from all debian lists for a year, Such things should not be handled by a GR. GR's are, in my opinion, meant to handle more general decisions, like describing to

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread MJ Ray
Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] GR's are, in my opinion, meant to handle more general decisions, like describing to what extent the listmasters are authorized to [silently] take actions for keeping good order on the mailing lists, for what actions the listmasters need the DPL's

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread MJ Ray
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The main point you are missing, that if you remove the suspension, and debian claims something about the fault of the previous events to be shared (which nobody disputes they are), then the list behaviour become no more a problem than for other DDs

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Brian May
MJ == MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ 1. Sven Luther is suspended from all debian lists for a year, MJ which should be similar to (b), because the project generally MJ liked his two-month self-suspension and wishes not to receive MJ his discussion contributions at the moment.

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Brian May wrote: Is it possible to act as a developer without mailing list access? Yes, just as it's possible to act as a developer if you've been excluded from using [EMAIL PROTECTED]; you just have to use an intermediate who can send on messages on your behalf. Don

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 07:26:03PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The main point you are missing, that if you remove the suspension, and debian claims something about the fault of the previous events to be shared (which nobody disputes they are), then the

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 06:13:40PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007, Brian May wrote: Is it possible to act as a developer without mailing list access? Yes, just as it's possible to act as a developer if you've been excluded from using [EMAIL PROTECTED]; you just have to use

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 20:06 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Bart Martens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] GR's are, in my opinion, meant to handle more general decisions, like describing to what extent the listmasters are authorized to [silently] take actions for keeping good order on the mailing lists,