On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 04:04:24PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
> > and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
> > opportunity for becoming Debian project members.
>
>
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> [ Draft GR text below, look for "-". M-F-T set to -vote. ]
[ Disclaimer: I'm attending an academic conference this week and I'll be
at the Italian mini-DebConf in the week-end. That's why I'll be
sluggish in participati
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Kumar Appaiah
wrote:
> The word "Debian Developer" seems to have become synonymous with
> those who package or write software for Debian. Whether that was
> intentional or unintentional is not known to me, but this aspect is
> what several potential contributors s
Dear Paul,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:25:09AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
> looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
> translations:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
Charles Plessy writes:
> after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am still puzzled if this GR is a
> progress or a regression: is the take home message that Debian should be
> more open, or that some members must not have upload rights ? When a
> member does not have upload rights, is it for the pr
Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
translations:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
In addition, as cate pointed out, the constitution already allows
DAM/FD to acce
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 06:56:01PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
>
> My own preference is [B] > [A] > [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
> hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
> [A] or [B].
Hi Lucas and everybody,
after seeing the torrent of seconds, I a
Christoph Berg writes:
> Re: Luca Bruno 2010-09-14 <20100914120120.c0d3f45b.lu...@debian.org>
>> I'd thus propose not to call them Debian Contributors (DC) now, and let
>> NM/DAM team pick an appropriate name when reforming the procedures.
> The idea was discussed, and that's the name we came up
Charles Plessy writes:
> I agree with the above, accepting as DDs contributors who do not
> maintain packages, but your proposal is different: it establishes a new
> class of project members, who differ by not having upload rights.
> I suppose that the goal is to avoid disruptive NMUs and damage
Hi,
Lucas Nussbaum a écrit , Le 14/09/2010 18:56:
> While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
> I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
> at least, that it will be communicated like that).
>
> I see two different ways to avoid that:
>
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* Stefano Zacchiroli [2010-09-14 10:53:46 CEST]:
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On ti, 2010-09-14 at 18:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> My own preference is [B] > [A] > [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
> hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
> [A] or [B].
I'd prefer [A] == [B] > [original GR proposal] > [NOTA].
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Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 10:53:46, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
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> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 07:42:58PM +0200, Damien Raude-Morvan wrote:
>
> I second this proposal.
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> Wholeheartly seconed, for all the longstanding website translators.
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Re: Gunnar Wolf 2010-09-14 <20100914170611.ge26...@gwolf.org>
> Yes, the naming clearly stems from when we were a flatter, simpler
> project with all-or-nothing participation. But we now have Debian
> developers which are not DDs, Debian maintainers which are not DM, and
> will surely have Debian c
Jakub Wilk writes:
> * Lucas Nussbaum , 2010-09-14, 18:56:
>>[B] Give everybody upload rights anyway. If we trust them to influence
>>the project's decisions through voting, we should probably trust them to
>>do the right thing and not upload packages when they don't feel
>>qualified to. After all
* Jakub Wilk , 2010-09-14, 19:18:
* Lucas Nussbaum , 2010-09-14, 18:56:
My own preference is [B] > [A] > [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
[A] or [B].
Same here.
Just to clarify: I agree both with Lucas ranking and
Hi,
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 10:53:46, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including b
* Lucas Nussbaum , 2010-09-14, 18:56:
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid that:
[A] Avoid giving DDs
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:41:24PM +0100]:
> > We are calling everyone "Debian Developer" (cf. the constitution). DCs
> > are a subset of DDs. We realize that we probably need a handy
> > expression for "DD with upload rights" [1], but we don't have one yet.
> > (Ideas?)
>
> Coul
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Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
> infrastructure
Christoph Berg dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:57PM +0200]:
> > As we still remember the big "on terminology" thread[0] and we don't
> > want here to create more confusion nor to start the big renaming race,
> > I think it will be better to leave terminology out of this GR, as this
> > will introd
MJ Ray dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:26:01AM +0100]:
> "Giacomo A. Catenazzi"
> > So you are already free to do it by delegating. A GR would be used
> > to overrule your decision, but, as you already noted, there is
> > already a general consensus on the issue.
>
> Equally, the DPL is empowered t
Hi,
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid that:
[A] Avoid giving DDs without upload rights any special n
Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900]:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but n
On 12238 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: pa
On 17:53 Tue 14 Sep , Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:53:46 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli
wrote:
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> * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
> and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
> opportunity for becoming Debian project members.
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On 09/14/2010 10:53 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types o
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Hi!
* Stefano Zacchiroli [2010-09-14 10:53:46 CEST]:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from va
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 13:14 +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Lars Wirzenius 2010-09-14 <1284461384.2573.26.ca...@havelock>
> > I do not like the introduction of yet another class of person developing
> > Debian. I propose we call everyone with voting rights in Debian a
> > "Debian Developer" (deve
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> [ Draft GR text below, look for "-". M-F-T set to -vote. ]
>
> Dear Debian project,
> in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
> non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
Am Dienstag 14 September 2010, 10:53:46 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> [ Draft GR text below, look for "-". M-F-T set to -vote. ]
>
> Dear Debian project,
> in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
> non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
Re: Lars Wirzenius 2010-09-14 <1284461384.2573.26.ca...@havelock>
> I do not like the introduction of yet another class of person developing
> Debian. I propose we call everyone with voting rights in Debian a
> "Debian Developer" (development not being restricted to coding and
> packaging).
We are
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
>
> * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
> Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive. These
> new developers
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including b
Re: Luca Bruno 2010-09-14 <20100914120120.c0d3f45b.lu...@debian.org>
> As we still remember the big "on terminology" thread[0] and we don't
> want here to create more confusion nor to start the big renaming race,
> I think it will be better to leave terminology out of this GR, as this
> will introd
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi"
> So you are already free to do it by delegating. A GR would be used
> to overrule your decision, but, as you already noted, there is
> already a general consensus on the issue.
Equally, the DPL is empowered to start a GR to do this. I'm very
happy to see a DPL checking th
Re: Giacomo A. Catenazzi 2010-09-14 <4c8f40be.9050...@debian.org>
> I don't understand the procedure. You are already empowered to do it:
>
> 8.1 The Project Leader's Delegates:
> 1. [...]
> 2. may make certain decisions which the Leader may not make
> directly, including approving or expelling De
Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
>
> * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might
> become Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive.
> These new developers shall be recognized as Debian Cont
Am Dienstag, den 14.09.2010, 17:53 +0900 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including b
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>
> Of all those topics, one topic *might* have consensus already: accepting
> as DDs contributors which have contributed a lot to Debian doing
> non-packaging work, which intend to continue doing so, and which are
> ready to u
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> includin
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> includin
* Stefano Zacchiroli [100914 10:53]:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: package mai
On 14.09.10 10:53, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Of all those topics, one topic *might* have consensus already: accepting
as DDs contributors which have contributed a lot to Debian doing
non-packaging work, which intend to continue doing so, and which are
ready to uphold our Foundation Documents. M
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
> infrastructur
[ Draft GR text below, look for "-". M-F-T set to -vote. ]
Dear Debian project,
in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
Since it was also part of my platform and since DPL terms don't last
forever,
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