Re: [all candidates] What to do with debian-private ?

2013-03-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Tagliamonte writes: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:34:08AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> How is the state of -private those days ? When I unsubscribed, it was >> still mixing informations that are really private, like "Alice takes >> holidays in Honolulu", some that may be private by accide

Re: [all candidates] What to do with debian-private ?

2013-03-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:34:08AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 03:35:40PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > > > -private is notified so DDs are aware. > > How is the state of -private those days ? When I unsubscribed, it was still > mixing informations that are really

[all candidates] What to do with debian-private ?

2013-03-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 03:35:40PM -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > -private is notified so DDs are aware. How is the state of -private those days ? When I unsubscribed, it was still mixing informations that are really private, like "Alice takes holidays in Honolulu", some that may be private

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Knadle
Don -- my apologies for not responding to this earlier; somehow I missed this message, and figured out I had missed it via reading Moray's resonse to it. On Thursday, March 28, 2013 18:35:40, Don Armstrong wrote: > This message appears to be more appropriate for -project, > non-candidate response

Poor BTS interactions (Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?)

2013-03-29 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-28 16:35, Don Armstrong wrote: ow...@bugs.debian.org is an appropriate place to report abusive behavior by anyone (maintainers, users, etc) on the BTS. But how broad a definition of abusive behaviour are you taking here? I would have thought of contacting ow...@bugs.debian.org in re

Re: [to all candidates] Free Software challenges and Debian role

2013-03-29 Thread Gergely Nagy
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > (I still hadn't replied to that question -- I'll do that by following-up > on Moray's reply since I agree with most of it) ...and I'll take the easiest route, and follow up on Lucas' mail, since I mostly agree with both of them. Sorry! > On 12/03/13 at 17:11 +0300, Mora

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

2013-03-29 Thread Gergely Nagy
Gunnar Wolf writes: > Gergely Nagy dijo [Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:32:32PM +0100]: >> Debian is also not impressively different, so to say. We have a distinct >> culture, we have great technical solutions, but those are hardly enough >> to impress someone who just casually looks. We need to reach o

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Don Armstrong
This message appears to be more appropriate for -project, non-candidate responses, please follow up there. On Thu, 28 Mar 2013, Chris Knadle wrote: > As a bug reporter dealing with a misbehaving maintainer, this is > what I would want: > > 1. A clear place to report the misbehavior ow...@bugs

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:59:11PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Do we need to scientifically prove causation here? Oh, you're totally right, we certainly do not need that to *work* on improving bug report handling by maintainers. It just takes that evidence to convince *me* that such aspec

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Friday, March 29, 2013 13:46:56, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > > As such, there's an issue of "public perception" that may need > > consideration. > > […] > > > I simultaneously acknowledge the problem of making a "DD expulsion > >

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 03/29/2013 01:46 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: >> I'm open to other theories as to the cause. I am, however, a bit surprised >> that you'd completely dismiss the theory I've proposed so quickly. >> let you know that I regularly bu

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > As such, there's an issue of "public perception" that may need > consideration. […] > I simultaneously acknowledge the problem of making a "DD expulsion > list" public; that's not exactly the kind of "trophy" anyone would > want to obt

Re: Debian for third party (read: propietary) apps/vendors

2013-03-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 29-03-13 18:03, Russ Allbery wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > >> I agree with this. This is why I proposed[1] a while back to look into >> clarifying which parts of policy really only apply to "packages uploaded >> to Debian", as opposed to "packages for local use", which may have >> differe

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Knadle
On Friday, March 29, 2013 09:41:23, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 05:37:18PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > > Technically the DAM has the ability to act to remove a DD (per Debian > > Constitution 8.1 item 2), but the information I can gather so far seems > > to indicate that th

Re: Debian for third party (read: propietary) apps/vendors

2013-03-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst writes: > I agree with this. This is why I proposed[1] a while back to look into > clarifying which parts of policy really only apply to "packages uploaded > to Debian", as opposed to "packages for local use", which may have > different requirements in some cases. > There wasn't

Re: Debian for third party (read: propietary) apps/vendors

2013-03-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 29-03-13 10:45, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > As Moray said, we should advertise more heavily why it's useful to > package for Debian. But I think that we should also aim at making it > easier to: > - package that software as proper Debian packages > - distribute that software inside Debian (when it i

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

2013-03-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 05:37:18PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > Technically the DAM has the ability to act to remove a DD (per Debian > Constitution 8.1 item 2), but the information I can gather so far seems to > indicate that the DAM won't expell a DD for disciplanary problems. FWIW, that is no

Re: [all candidates] delegation

2013-03-29 Thread Gergely Nagy
Gunnar Wolf writes: > However, this topic does raise a question: Knowledge transfer. I might > be arguing on something marginally related to the vote at hand, but > anyway, when delegations shift (be it due to burnout, retirement, > rotation or whatever), we should make it as easy as possible to

Re: Debian for third party (read: propietary) apps/vendors

2013-03-29 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 24/03/13 at 15:47 -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > There are third party vendors (read: propietary) that support the > installation > of their software in Debian, but mostly because selfish reasons: they need to > be present everywhere for their business model to work.