Question on DPL delegations.

2014-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 05:44:55PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > Internally, we would need to adjust, but I'm quite sure that we would > manage. Actually, the lack of a DPL might make everybody feel more > enabled/empowered to solve problems that are usually deferred to the > DPL, which cou

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Ana! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:21:20AM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > DebConf is one of the biggest expenses of Debian, every year we look > for sponsorship and we had (and have) sponsors who were sponsoring > DebConf as a way of giving their "annual donation" to Debian and > not necessari

Re: Debian Project Leader?

2014-03-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Paul, On 22/03/14 at 14:23 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Please imagine a Debian without the DPL position. How would it be > better, how would it be worse, how would things work differently, > would it be desirable? Someone said that Debian is an extremely functional anarchic project. I love that

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Steve, On 25/03/14 at 00:57 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > (To Lucas) Why should Debian need to hold a reserve with its TOs to fully > fund a DebConf for which fundraising has failed? I believe the operating > principle is that the DebConf organization should never spend money that it > doesn'

Re: Debian Project Leader?

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 02:23:30PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Please imagine a Debian without the DPL position. How would it be > better, how would it be worse, how would things work differently, > would it be desirable? > Hi Paul, I think there's a couple of aspects to this, one from an external

Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > That's a very interesting viewpoint for me, because it's kinda dual to > mine. I understand what you're saying and it has its own merits. But > OTOH I see another part of our *current* stance as non honest, the part > where we say that contrib and non-free are not par

Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: >On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 15:29 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> Because as long as we document it, it's very hard to claim that >> "non-free" is not part of Debian, when you could just add it as a >> keyword side-by-side with "main" i

Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:55:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think we should continue to maintain contrib and non-free as part of the > Debian project because, by doing so, we enable people to use more free > software than they otherwise would be able to do. So I'm not particularly > upset by

Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 15:29 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Because as long as we document it, it's very hard to claim that > "non-free" is not part of Debian, when you could just add it as a > keyword side-by-side with "main" in your sources.list. The firmware have been moved from main to non-

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-25 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Lucas, Since I am one of the local organizers this year for DebConf, which is Debian's single largest annual expense; and in light of the ongoing discussion you and I are having about DebConf budgeting; it should be no surprise that I have opinions on the question of Debian asset management. ;)

Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Paul Wise said: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Neil McGovern wrote: > > I don't think that splitting this up helps our users. Using debian.org > > provides a trusted distribution mechanism. I think it's better that > > people get trusted non-free packages from us,