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Nevertheless, wouldn't it be safer to first resolve this issue, while keeping as
a goal to address the firmware question early in the release cycle?
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Le Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 01:43:36AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
It seems that devotee does not properly handle it.
Hi all,
at worse, there may be alternatives, like selectricity (.org), which was also
made by a DD.
Unfortunately, it is not packaged…
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some propositions along these lines in the constitutional discussion led
by Matthew. We could also explore other possibilities such as a DPL veto
mechanism. Anyway, the current GR really comes too early. I am not sure it will
make it to the supermajority.
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That makes an interesting race condition with Bill's overriding GR…
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Le Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:04:31AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Le Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
b) Delaying a decision of a Delegate or the DPL [§4.2(2.2)],
as well as resolutions against a shortening of discussion/voting
period or to overwrite
and all related amendments. But then, what
kind of vote can be called by the proposers of amendments in A.2.1 ?
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of divergence
between the candidates. Then, if there is interest for such a discussion, I
would like to encourage you to develop your ideas on this subject, especially
on what you can do as a DPL or DPL assistant.
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mailboxes explode (by the
way, please stop cross-posting).
I think that starting another GR now will do more harm than good. Maybe the
best opportunity to test if the Project is in the mood for formal reforms is
the next DPL election.
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secretary.
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(And by the way, for the readers of Debian Planet, I think that Christian voted
7452136, as in option 5 first, option four second, …, and option 1 last.)
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Le Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:57:06AM +, Neil McGovern a écrit :
With approximately 60 hours remaining, 142 people have voted, out of a
potential 1018. This is somewhat of an record for low participation.
Hi all,
I have nothing against a voting period lasting the standard two weeks.
Have a
Le Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:52:01PM +, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:05:54PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:57:06AM +, Neil McGovern a écrit :
With approximately 60 hours remaining, 142 people have voted, out of a
potential 1018
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit :
Hi all,
Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply
ASAP.
Hi Neil
The vote page has three mutually exclusive texts, with headers named Choice
1, Choice 2 and Choice 3 that respectively correspond
to start the implementation of the changes described on
the debian-devel-announce mailing list (Message-id:
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If there is anything I can do to help to prepare the ballot, please let me know.
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Le Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:09:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Le Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:12:10AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Hello Neil, Manoj, and everybody.
Thanks Neil for preparing the vote page. I think that there is no need for
extra explanation. There is a small mistake
Hello Neil, Manoj, and everybody.
Thanks Neil for preparing the vote page. I think that there is no need for
extra explanation. There is a small mistake however: I am the proposer of the
GR. Can you correct the page ?
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Le Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:12:10AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Hello Neil, Manoj, and everybody.
Thanks Neil for preparing the vote page. I think that there is no need for
extra explanation. There is a small mistake however: I am the proposer of the
GR. Can you correct the page ?
Ah
completerly agree.
How about allowing the Project to release Lenny without changing the DFSG?
Despite forward-looking as strong as I can, I do not see people using the
microcontroller of their wireless cards for anything else than controlling
their wireless cards.
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Le Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 06:36:12AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit :
ke, 2008-11-19 kello 07:58 +0900, Charles Plessy kirjoitti:
Manoj,
I completerly agree.
How about allowing the Project to release Lenny without changing the DFSG?
That is what Manoj proposed on 2008-11-10 in
http
if Peter's option is voted with less than a 3:1 majority ?
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Le Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:38:19AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 17 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
the problem is that we were told that voting for your amendment makes
it necessary to organise a vote to change the DFSG or the SC… I really
understand your position
the story short, I can propose yet another option:
None of the above. The Project decides nothing. Interpretations of this result
are personal opinions and are not binding to anyone.
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ii Do we allow the Release Team to ignore SC violation bugs: As usual
iii What do we do for Lenny: Release
iV Do we modify foundation documents: No
v Do we override foundation documentsNo
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developpers, it makes a big difference. I would really prefer hearing their
opinion before voting for a supermajority resolution that may not be applied if
nobody wants to deal with the work overhead of having a new section outside
main.
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mailing list (Message-id:
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I hereby second both options.
The discussion period is extended of two weeks.
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therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the week.
Past this delay, and unless somebody has a strong opinion against, I will call
for a vote so that we can put an end to the story, heal wounds and move on.
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Le Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:04:05AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:34:47AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I do not think that the only interpretation of a rejected GR is the
contrary of its option(s). For instance, people can vote Further
Disucssion because
.
This said, I still hope that Joerg could send a clarification that what he
presented is not yet an official policy, and that he will follow consensus or
propose changes through a GR. With this we could avoid the current vote.
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- The second best one is to cool down until the end of the discussion period,
and vote this GR as it is.
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Le Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:45:31PM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit :
I hereby second the proposal quoted below and have no objection to
Charles Plessy's earlier proposal being dropped (or retracted)
Thanks Frans for the explanation, and thanks again to Peter who showed us a
way to an exit of the
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will be a Rubicon
that nobody is willing to cross, so I do not feel like tweaking it. I am fine
with a status quo while progress is done on the debian-project list.
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for taking it.
We all have the same goal, making Debian more open, but disagree ont the means.
Let's discuss instead of just checking who has the right to impose his opinion
on the others.
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that will be finished by consensus or a general resolution.
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Actually, if the GR road is eventually taken, it can be done through amending
this proposal. This will save time and energy.
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Le Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:36:22PM +0200, Bastian Blank a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 09:15:43PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
The Debian Project, by the way of a general resolution of its developpers,
decides:
- The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce
Le Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:27:40PM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit :
Charles Plessy wrote:
In accordance to the paragraph 4.2.2 of the constition, this
suspension takes immediately effect until a procedural vote decides if
the supsension is lifted until the vote of this general resolution
are published).
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results of the GR vote are published).
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we can construct the instead of just hoping to amend.
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Le Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing
people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA
Hi Wouter,
haven't we read on planet.debian.org that they changed their minds?
Have a
Le Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:15:42PM +0200, Josip Rodin a écrit :
* Infrastructure teams are encouraged to adapt their sizes to their
workloads,
to ensure that they don't block or slow down the work of other Debian
contributors.
Hi Josip and everybody,
I understand that ad-hoc GRs
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(building non-free on official autobuilders is not allowed).
Untrue, you just
. Finally, Opt-out is a negative
concept that does not describe so well what I wanted to say. If I could
summarise in a few words, it would be sharing the responsability
between the package maitainer and the Debian infrastructure teams.
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and the service
managers to opt in or opt out the use of each services by Debian
packages (or preferably groups of them)? If yes, how would you define
the role of the DPL in implusing these changes?
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to fulfill this goal. But I do
not think that rejecting the GR gives a clear message to the people in
charge of this task, since many different reasons of voting no have been
explored in this list...
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the spirit of the
fondamental texts, and by never lowering his aims of quality (which does
not mean never making mistakes, this is more a funciton of to the
quantity of work done).
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, and are clueless monthes later about the
reasons for which nothing happened ?
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, on a functionnal point of
view, still works as before... Nothing Depends: on the licences.
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by not relying on laws enforcing fairness
in contracts to avoid those situations. If it looks like the license, it
is the verbatim or a fake. There is clearly an advantage to this.
(Which has to be balanced with others such as restriction of freedom to
modify of course).
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Dear Anthony Towns,
When I sent you a private mail complaining about the ad-hominem style of
one of your posts on -devel, you published it on your blog. Will you do
the same with the private mails sent you as a DPL, if you were elected ?
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