Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-21 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:08:17PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: If aj's stops beeing a member of dunc-tank, and do not works publicily for that dunc-tank, then I remove my second here, he can stay as DPL. If he prefers dunc-tank, and work for it, he must not be a delegate anymore, and

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-21 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:10:25PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: I'd say that I'm not more comfortable with Steve McIntyre beeing involved and a DPL-assistant (or whatever name his position has) either, so if Aj stops beeing involved with dunc-tank, (1) is in fact half solved. Then

Re: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

2006-01-25 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 10:10:22AM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: Those in favour of two separate GR's: * Read my GR proposal [0] and second it (your choice of course). * Read Nathanael's amendment proposal [1] to my proposal. A DD needs to send it as a reply to my

Re: For those who care about the GR

2006-01-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 02:52:01PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Q1.1) Are GFDL licensed works without invariant texts non-free? Well, according to the RM team, and some developers (full disclosure: myself included), yes, they are, even if there is no explicit infraction of

Re: Amendment: GFDL is compatible with DFSG

2006-01-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:59:44PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: People should think long and hard about this requirement, independent of whether it is DFSG-compliant. Think about the implications for the ftp.debian.org mirror network, and for CD and DVD vendors. It's a pretty significant

Re: GR Proposal 2: Declassification of -private

2005-11-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:06:22PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Margarita Manterola wrote: Also, people in the NM queue that have to agree to the Social Contract and the DFSG, might be interested in knowing why these documents have the shape they have before actually agreeing to them.

Re: How should None Of The Above be used?

2005-03-29 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 06:50:04PM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Is this correct answer? [1] Mr. good [3] Mr. unsuitable [4] Mr. bad [2] None Of The Above As I read voting system, anything below None Of The Above is the same. So does this become the same as: [1] Mr. good [3] Mr.

Re: Vote for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005

2005-03-28 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:16:21AM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 09:34:35AM +0100, Emmanuel le Chevoir wrote: Again, sorry for beeing such an idiot :/ Does that mean you improved your vote also? ;-) I'm lost, what was wrong with his

Re: Angus Lees for DPL

2005-02-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:52:08AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: I hereby nominate Angus 'gus' Lees as Debian Project Leader (DPL). He might be a emacs (xemacs too. peh.) using perl fanboy but he lives in Cabal HQ (Sydney, Australia)[1]. Don't developers have to nominate themselves? Or am I

Re: Angus Lees for DPL

2005-02-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 01:17:53PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote: At Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:48:35 -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: Don't developers have to nominate themselves? Or am I mistaken? That seems a strange rule. How about I second the nomination, is that good enough for you? I'm not bothered

Re: CFV: Favourite color of the rainbow (devotee test)

2004-10-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 08:18:52PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Am Sonntag, den 24.10.2004, 14:20 -0500 schrieb Manoj Srivastava: The machine is running Sarge, updated yesterday. I guess this is as good a time as any to try signing with subkeys. just tried again, did not help...

Re: CFV: Favourite color of the rainbow (devotee test)

2004-10-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 10:07:10PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Am Dienstag, den 26.10.2004, 14:28 -0500 schrieb Graham Wilson: On Tue, Oct 26, 2004 at 08:18:52PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: just tried again, did not help... Voting with a message signed with a subkey worked fine

Re: CFV: Favourite color of the rainbow (devotee test)

2004-10-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 03:21:49AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Pursuant to packaging Devotee, I am trying to add test suite to the package. In order to run a decent test, I need a set of ballots -- signed ballots -- at least some of which are signed by keys in the debian keyring. Manoj, is

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: Rationale: - Taking technical decisions through voting is not generaly a good idea. Agreed. - We're facing a communication problem, so the solution is to ease communication between the affected parties. This GR

Re: Second Call for votes: General resolution: Sarge Release Schedule in view of GR 2004-003

2004-07-02 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 08:04:41AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Debian Project Secretary wrote: -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [ ] Choice 1: Postpone changes until September 2004 [needs 3:1] [ ] Choice 2: Postpone changes

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 04:43:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 05:35:07PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: This rely on the premices that at least some options will allow to release sarge sooner. Unfortunately discussions on debian-vote involving the release manager and

Re: Call for Vote on GR 2004-004

2004-06-15 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 10:34:12PM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Proposal F: The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point updates to stable releases) that contains anything in the main or contrib

Re: _Our_ resolution merely affirms the status quo

2004-06-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 06:32:11AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040605 06:25]: By dropping proposal F from the ballot, we are dropping the only proposal that does not support releasing Sarge as is. We will not drop a proposal simply because you disagree

Re: _Our_ resolution merely affirms the status quo

2004-06-04 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:01:18AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I think that you also mean me with your mail. Perhaps you're right, and it may be the best to drop both proposals F and G from the ballot. I wouldn't stand in the way of dropping both proposals together from the ballot, and vote

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-27 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 10:11:22AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040527 06:25]: On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:26:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Proposal F got the requisite number of seconds, and is now on the ballot. The discussion period has

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:01:22PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 07:56:47PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: How about [###] 5. Don't release sarge until it is 100% free Does that mean non-free must be empty for Sarge? No. -- gram -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Proposal F on the ballot now.

2004-05-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 09:26:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Proposal F got the requisite number of seconds, and is now on the ballot. The discussion period has been reset. If someone would like to provide a 40 char description of the proposal for the ballot, I'll modify my

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:12:52AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040523 23:55]: I do not think we can over ride the constitution, and other foundation documents, with a simple position statement; so I would not think a simple position

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:09:17AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: By program I mean everything that we formerly required to be distributed under the DFSG, Huh? That's not a definition, especially since all this debate is about whether our previous

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:19:10PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Graham Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040524 20:10]: On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:12:52AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Debian Project Secretary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040523 23:55]: I do not think we can over ride

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 04:35:58PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 08:27:02PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: How about: We, Debian developers, issue the statement: On the question on what software should be allowed in the main section of our archive

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 10:44:57AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:38:11PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:33:28PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Was the GFDL used in woody at all? Regardless, I think the statement should use more definite

Re: DFSG#10

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 05:19:40PM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: I'm reluctant to vote for a resolution that acknowledges that the changes made to the social contract were anything but editorial. I agree. I think there are a couple of proposals [0][1] being made that don't make the assumption

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 12:47:52PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:27:12AM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: Yes, I could understand wanting to avoid involving the meaning of the social contract in the statement. Note, however, that if you work too hard to isolate the GR

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 01:06:39PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: --- The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point updates

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 03:15:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Whether or not it changed the SC is a matter for debate; but it is undisputed that the policies of the project did change drastically due to that GR. Agreed. What would you suggest that paragraph should say in order to

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:41:13AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: - We, Debian developers, issue the statement: On the question on what software should be allowed in the main section of our archive (The official Debian distribution) for our forthcoming release

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 04:22:38PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:41:13AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: - We, Debian developers, issue the statement: On the question on what software should be allowed in the main section of our

Re: Ready to vote on 2004-003?

2004-05-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 06:39:41PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't really think any GR would avoid me wanting the tech ctte's explicit decision. Would you please make up your mind: Will you, or will you not, allow yourself to be overruled by

Re: Ready to vote on 2004-003?

2004-05-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:11:57PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: It should be, but it a matter of natural language (hence interpretation) whether each of the proposed General Resolution actually constitute Overriding. The Delegate in question has to decide for himself whether the language in

Re: Ready to vote on 2004-003?

2004-05-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 02:05:35PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 01:45:40PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: Could you explain why this paragraph in proposal E is insufficient? In the specific case of General Resolution 2004_003, since that release currently in

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:33:28PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We, Debian developers, issue the statement: On the question on what software should be allowed in the main section of our archive (The official Debian

Re: Proposal - Statement that Sarge will follow Woody requirement for main.

2004-05-22 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:38:11PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 01:33:28PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We, Debian developers, issue the statement: On the question on what software

Re: Proposed ballot for the GR: Deciding on the effect of GR 2004_003

2004-05-16 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 10:27:49AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 15 May 2004 21:11:02 +0100, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Scripsit Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] The details of the general resolution can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004 I think

Re: Proposed ballot for the GR: Deciding on the effect of GR 2004_003

2004-05-16 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 06:03:34PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004 22:09:01 +0200, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 10:27:49AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 15 May 2004 21:11:02 +0100, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The

Re: Questions for the candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:01:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: In the case of [0], Enrico certainly doesn't seem to have been satisfied at the outcome and that frustration seems to be resulting in him expressing some outrage at communications issues on my behalf [4], and you seem to have been

Re: Questions for the candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:01:57PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: In the case of [0], Enrico certainly doesn't seem to have been satisfied at the outcome and that frustration seems to be resulting in him expressing some outrage at communications issues on my behalf [4], and you seem to have been

Re: First Call for votes: General resolution for the handling of the non-free section

2004-03-08 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:55:38PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote: NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. Manoj, does signing with subkeys work now? Or do I still have to use my primary key? -- gram signature.asc Description:

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-21 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I propose that the Debian project resolve that: == Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of programs that don't conform to the Debian

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-21 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:48:48AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I propose that the Debian project resolve that: == Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of programs that don't conform to the Debian

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 08:43:11PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: I propose the following resolution: The next release of Debian will not be accompanied by a non-free section; there will be no more stable releases of

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 08:43:11PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: I propose the following resolution: The next release of Debian will not be accompanied by a non-free section; there will be no more stable releases of

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:43:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:29:00 -0600, Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:43:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: E) I say I'm willing to seriously consider breaking up my proposal

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:33:04AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote: I support Branden's proposal but I don't support the removal of non-free. Branden's proposal has the first clause read: Debian Will Remain 100% Free

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:43:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: E) I say I'm willing to seriously consider breaking up my proposal if the Project Secretary can help me identify how many axes of orthogonality he perceives in my original RFD. FWIW, in my opinion there are five distinct

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-05 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:43:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:29:00 -0600, Graham Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:43:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: E) I say I'm willing to seriously consider breaking up my proposal

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-29 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:10:45PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: I am seeking seconds and editorial amendments to this proposed General Resolution. Wouldn't it be better to separate the editorial changes from the conceptual changes and vote on two orthogonal proposals? I think this is a

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-10-29 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:10:45PM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: I am seeking seconds and editorial amendments to this proposed General Resolution. Wouldn't it be better to separate the editorial changes from the conceptual changes and vote on two orthogonal proposals? I think this is a

Re: Second Call for votes for the Constitutional Amendment GR to disambiguate section 4.1.5

2003-10-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:41:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [At the time of writing, just into the second week of the voting period, 171 ballots have been received, with 42 being rejected, resulting in 124 valid votes from 129 developers. Hi, Manoj. How is this possible? Shouldn't the

Re: Second Call for votes for the Constitutional Amendment GR to disambiguate section 4.1.5

2003-10-23 Thread Graham Wilson
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:41:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [At the time of writing, just into the second week of the voting period, 171 ballots have been received, with 42 being rejected, resulting in 124 valid votes from 129 developers. Hi, Manoj. How is this possible? Shouldn't the

Re: OT: Re: What's the scam ? (was: what´s the prize?)

2003-10-18 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 10:43:04AM +, Jonathan Matthews wrote: Anthony DeRobertis had the gall to say: OK, we get a fair number of these. So do some other people. None of the claimants ever seem to respond when asked about the details. From googling, here are some other references:

Re: Vote of a former candidate

2003-03-09 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:13:57PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Le Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 04:06:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson écrivait: * The DPL must also follow up with the delegates, and ensure that they understand their responsibilities; not just so that they know what is

Re: Vote of a former candidate

2003-03-09 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:13:57PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Le Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 04:06:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson écrivait: * The DPL must also follow up with the delegates, and ensure that they understand their responsibilities; not just so that they know what is

Re: Vote of a former candidate

2003-03-09 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 11:30:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:15:10PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 04:13:57PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I think all this is useless. http://www.debian.org/intro/organization is enough that is not so

Re: Questions for all candidates

2003-02-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:56:19AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:37:34PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: do you think that it is the responsibility of the dpl to get this process started? if so, do you intend to do this? and if not, how do you think the process

Re: Questions for all candidates

2003-02-26 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:56:19AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:37:34PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote: do you think that it is the responsibility of the dpl to get this process started? if so, do you intend to do this? and if not, how do you think the process

Re: Questions for all candidates

2003-02-25 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:22:53PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:48:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: 3. We'd better release : [ ] twice a year [ ] once a year [ ] every two years [ ] always, we just throw stable away and keep a slightly modified

Re: Questions for all candidates

2003-02-25 Thread Graham Wilson
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:22:53PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:48:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: 3. We'd better release : [ ] twice a year [ ] once a year [ ] every two years [ ] always, we just throw stable away and keep a slightly modified