list recently, it certainly seems possible to get
there, even if it may take some time.
Debian as it exists now is already very usable as a high quality base
that can be used to consume 3rd party sources, so if that aspect had
more attention and focus, what would you like to see better in Debian as
Hey David
On 2019/04/02 17:51, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 11:04:17PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>>> for DPL Candidates"[1] article as stats about the prospective DPLs seem
>>> to be in demand[2] I had to wonder if the DPL candidates wanted t
moji. It could also be great for libraries that do things like adding
colours to scripts, because then you could associate error tones and
success tones as well which would make apps that use those libraries
automatically more accessible.
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Hi David
On 2019/04/02 17:24, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 08:15:39PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> 3. Make APT more competitive
>
> mmdebstrap (a debootstrap alternative) is a lovely example of putting
> APT into a field it wasn't initially crea
ubgroups under
/debian for all the debian teams would solve everyone's problems and
introduce no new ones, well, except for having longer VCS fields but
that seems like an easy trade-off :)
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ou read my response email until the very end, I think you would
learn that the joke is on you ;)
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ting the question)?
Questions are very malleable so I tend to shape them so that I can cover
a lot of important bases.
> [I am of course 100% serious and expect as much in return given that
> it will show your voters how well you are equipped to deal with poor
> attempts at humor and u
ment the ones that got the
> most votes. (I really like the idea of temporary task forces or "fixer
> teams" that Jonathan Carter brought up in
> msgid:51b4d63d-1af1-e0ca-6621-a131b7ec3...@debian.org[1].)
>
> E.g. that could be done bimontly and the bits from the DPL mails
pend much time thinking about such cases, but I think your
feedback is great because it's probably one of the most obvious cases
that I could think of, and if you're open to migrating that packaging to
git/salsa then I think that's already a great sign.
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t our university", but it's usually more along the lines of "I have one
of them in my basement". I wonder what would happen if we sent those
people some nice RISC-V hardware to play with instead :)
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t regard, I know there's been some
work done on that over the years, but it's really quite horrible the
amount of the same data that we download over and over and over. And
they would be especially be nice for edge devices and remote locations
where internet isn't always cheap
Hi Sean
On 2019/03/31 21:05, Sean Whitton wrote:
> On Sat 30 Mar 2019 at 10:23AM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> That leaves less than 10 packages that need reviewing right now. I do
>> think that reviewing/sponsoring should be a lot better, and that more
>> DDs should play
#x27;s up to the candidate how they want to answer it,
or if they even want to answer it at all.
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ft out the part about DDs having access
to all repositories above, but I think that's a detail that you might
have to be willing to give up on to make the rest of the above possible.
One might also argue that anyone already has access to change things by
submitting an MR. I know it's not quite the same thing, but sometimes
you have to make small sacrifices to a vision to drive the rest of it
forward.
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first, and then in the future revisit it to
change it to the stronger statement when the community at large have had
more time to adapt.
> (I'm putting on the side, on purpose, the problem of different workflows
> that Joerg has highlighted. Not because it's not a real
I would be
very happy to approve funds for such a project, but if you look at the
areas I already intend to focus on, it would not be one of the projects
I want to drive personally. During DC16 someone did step up to run such
a project, but I think he got busy. I hope someone picks it up again
roject-wide cultural habbit that might also help bring
attention to sponsorship requests.
Well, that's just my views as a DD who thinks this is important and this
is an area I'd like to put some focus on regardless of the DPL elections
.
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front the rest of the year.
If I misunderstood any of your questions and didn't properly answer,
feel free to poke :)
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d keep the
conversation going. Schedule IRC meetings, schedule BoFs at DebConf
(CfP's are open now btw), make notes about those in etherpads and put
together a kick-ass DEP that everyone can get behind. There are plenty
of good ideas that die quietly in mailing list threads, if an idea is
impo
ng, and
obviously as per my platform, if it's any kind of urgent I'll just get
it to it right then, no problem, so someone who can only communicate
over weekends should be covered. I would say this is by far the most
imaginary problem I've seen in all the platforms that I
least according to the Debian
LTS team, unless there's something else you're alluding to?
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ed out Matrix.
I now I'm new to debian-matrix, but will also he happy to help there, I
think getting a Debian test instance up would be fantastic, it looks
like there's some energy and momentum already, which is great!
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I'd rather not have to support it.
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>
> (it's a non-official account replicating what is posted in
> https://micronews.debian.org ).
Ah yes, I should've mentioned that, thanks!
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Hi Martin
On 2019/03/25 21:16, martin f krafft wrote:
> Quoting "Jonathan Carter", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 20:42 Uhr +0200:
>> It's a free software alternative to Slack, but it's not a mere copy,
>> Mattermost is a superset of Slack in terms of features.
be more accessible to some users (e.g. mailman3's web interface
> which for example Fedora uses). Though I can't say much about those
> as I haven't used them so far.
I didn't know about it but just checked it out, that's a much nicer way
to browse list arch
discussion on debian-devel instead.
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diligent when considering non-technical consequences of our decisions.
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ead of free software.
Thanks!
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Hi Lucas
On 2019/03/20 11:29, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> All platforms somehow mention this motto:
>
> Jonathan Carter:
>> I like the concept of the "Universal Operating System". To me it means
>> that Debian is adaptable to different technologies, situations and u
oals in perious of the next 2, 4 and 6 years to match short,
medium and long term goals with releases.
Mehdi had some great ideas to build a roadmap for Debian, but I think it
got misunderstood by some people and it probably didn't get as much
traction as it deserved.
(https://alioth-lists-
eed
>> exceptions can just add it to that workflow as addendums. With a process
>> like that where it happens in quick-succession baby steps it may be
>> easier getting large-scale buy-in / consensus for every step.
>
> I personally see advantages even in a "unified wo
; DPL candidates: do you agree ?
Yes, in principle that seems only fair, so I agree.
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ies between them, and perhaps highlight the differences
so that it's easier to eliminate some unneeded parts. After that you
could perhaps end up with a common workflow and the teams that need
exceptions can just add it to that workflow as addendums. With a process
like that where it happens
Hi Martin
On 2019/03/20 19:38, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Jonathan Carter [2019-03-20 18:57]:
>>> Not right now, although my ideas of spending Debian's money might
>>> trigger some GRs.
>
> [ I should point that your quote removes a smiley from my sentence a
on your spending ideas, and how they may be
controversial?
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our
user base.
3. Trolls
Yeah, it's a cute word but it's actually a big problem. I've been
speaking with a few Debianites about looking at creating Debian
instances of Peertube, Mastodob, Pixelfed, etc. One of the biggest
challenges in maintaining those are how we'll deal w
o be the first impression DD's have when evaluating each of our
campaigns.
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icken out.
I've also dreaded running against "none of the above" only.
However, I've now decided to stop pussy-footing and will join you in
some friendly competition.
I hereby nominate myself for the 2019 DPL election.
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that exact thing. Not only the great
documentation/communication but also the nature of the work itself, and
that's not even having a full appreciation of the stress/time that goes
into the social relation problems that he had to deal with.
Also thanking Chris for all the good work over his
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