Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-10 Thread Simon Law
Seconded, with s!judgemen.!judgement.! Simon On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-10 Thread Simon Law
Seconded, with s!judgemen.!judgement.! Simon On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: > However, it is very hard to determine and carve in stone the 'point of > no return' for a release, especially as we are still experimenting with > the way we do releases. But I guess we could have the release manager > officially declare a point somewhere in the middle of th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-06 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Banck wrote: > However, it is very hard to determine and carve in stone the 'point of > no return' for a release, especially as we are still experimenting with > the way we do releases. But I guess we could have the release manager > officially declare a point somewhere in the middle of th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 07:26:46PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:51:23AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > I do not understand why this is an alternative to many existing > > proposals and would be on the same ballot. > > Does it fail to address the release issues created in t

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 07:26:46PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:51:23AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > I do not understand why this is an alternative to many existing > > proposals and would be on the same ballot. > > Does it fail to address the release issues created in t

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > This is a major factor contributing to my belief that such a transition > *guide* should not be given the status of a foundation document. I Foundation documents lay foundations, and I don't see how a "transition" document lays a f

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 3 May 2004 16:39:37 -0400, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: >> This is a major factor contributing to my belief that such a >> transition *guide* should not be given the status of a foundation >> document. I > Foun

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, I do not understand some of this. Clarification will be most appreciated. On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Greg Norris
I second this proposed foundation document. On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:51:23AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > I do not understand why this is an alternative to many existing > proposals and would be on the same ballot. Does it fail to address the release issues created in the last GR? -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > > So I second this proposed foundation document. > > Unfortunately, I can't verify the

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > > So I second this proposed foundation document. > > Unfortunately, I can't verify the

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 12:51:23AM +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: > I do not understand why this is an alternative to many existing > proposals and would be on the same ballot. Does it fail to address the release issues created in the last GR? -- Raul

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Greg Norris
I second this proposed foundation document. On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, I do not understand some of this. Clarification will be most appreciated. On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > This is a major factor contributing to my belief that such a transition > *guide* should not be given the status of a foundation document. I Foundation documents lay foundations, and I don't see how a "transition" document lays a f

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 3 May 2004 16:39:37 -0400, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: >> This is a major factor contributing to my belief that such a >> transition *guide* should not be given the status of a foundation >> document. I > Foun

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Remi Vanicat
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I Second it. > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a > change occurs in a foundation document like the soci

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
I second the attached GR. (but please s/judgemen\./judgement./ before the vote :) ) Daniel On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tri

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Remi Vanicat
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I Second it. > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a > change occurs in a foundation document like the soci

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 08:49:08AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > > So I second this proposed foundation document. > > Unfortunately,

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
I second the attached GR. (but please s/judgemen\./judgement./ before the vote :) ) Daniel On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tri

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > So I second this proposed foundation document. Unfortunately, I can't verify the signature on this email. Is it just a failing on my end

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 08:49:08AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > > So I second this proposed foundation document. > > Unfortunately,

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here is the current version This one looks good; I'll second it. > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 03 May 2004 00:26:49 -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. > So I second this proposed foundation document. Unfortunately, I can't verify the signature on this email. Is it just a failing on my end

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here is the current version This one looks good; I'll second it. > I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide > guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. So I second this proposed foundation document. Excellent work, Manoj! Thomas Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think this draft is very good, and I am most pleased to second it. So I second this proposed foundation document. Excellent work, Manoj! Thomas Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here is the current version > > manoj. > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > Here's a quick stab at the latter: > > Unless otherwise specified in the resolution, any resolution which > modifies the Social Contract or the DFSG shall take effect 6 months > after ratification, and any stable versions of t

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:03:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 2004 23:17:07 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a > >> sunset cl

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 12:33:25AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > Here's a quick stab at the latter: > > Unless otherwise specified in the resolution, any resolution which > modifies the Social Contract or the DFSG shall take effect 6 months > after ratification, and any stable versions of t

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I second this proposed foundation document: __ Transition Guide A working guide to achieve the transition for changes in Foundation documents containing e

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 09:03:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 2 May 2004 23:17:07 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a > >> sunset cl

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
I second this proposal. Greetings, On 2004-05-02 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide". The context diff follows. > --

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Here is the current version manoj. I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a change occurs in a foundation document like the social contract, and also provides specific remedies to the current dilemm

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 23:17:07 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a >> sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the >> specific reference

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 17:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> We affirm that whenever a change to the Social Contract, or the >> >> Constitution, takes place, the activities required to provide >> >> ongoing and proactive support for the Debian user community >> >> shall conti

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I second this proposed foundation document: __ Transition Guide A working guide to achieve the transition for changes in Foundation documents containing e

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
I second this proposal. Greetings, On 2004-05-02 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide". The context diff follows. > --

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Here is the current version manoj. I propose we adopt a foundation document that tries to provide guidance and explanation for the transitions required whenever a change occurs in a foundation document like the social contract, and also provides specific remedies to the current dilemm

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 23:17:07 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a >> sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the >> specific reference

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 17:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> We affirm that whenever a change to the Social Contract, or the >> >> Constitution, takes place, the activities required to provide >> >> ongoing and proactive support for the Debian user community >> >> shall conti

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:15:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Meeting our commitments as described in the Social Contact is an > >> ongoing process. Since we have recently changed

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Lukas Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 02 May 2004 13:15:33 -0500 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. I

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. Great. I've just got one

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Andreas Metzler
Hello, I second this proposal. cu andreas On 2004-05-02 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide". The context dif

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread David B. Harris
On Sun, 2 May 2004 17:00:51 -0400 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2004 13:15:33 -0500 > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Gui

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> We affirm that whenever a change to the Social Contract, or the > >> Constitution, takes place, the activities required to provide > >> ongoing and proactive support for the Debian user community shall > >> continue. This includes, but is not neces

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:01:19 +0200, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I agree and also second it. Thanks > I would still rather like to remove the named release from it and > keep it as general guideline for the future, but it's quite useful > the way it is already. Wel

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I really like the new version of this GR, but I noticed a few > minor problems with it. Since even editorial changes to a > foundation document require a GR (and a supermajority), I think it's > best if we clean this

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:15:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Meeting our commitments as described in the Social Contact is an > >> ongoing process. Since we have recently changed

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Lukas Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread David B Harris
On Sun, 02 May 2004 13:15:33 -0500 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. I

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 01:15:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. Great. I've just got one

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Andreas Metzler
Hello, I second this proposal. cu andreas On 2004-05-02 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide". The context dif

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040502 20:25]: > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. > > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread David B. Harris
On Sun, 2 May 2004 17:00:51 -0400 David B Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2004 13:15:33 -0500 > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Gui

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
I really like the new version of this GR, but I noticed a few minor problems with it. Since even editorial changes to a foundation document require a GR (and a supermajority), I think it's best if we clean this up as much as possible before the vote. Content-Description: Transition Guide > A

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> We affirm that whenever a change to the Social Contract, or the > >> Constitution, takes place, the activities required to provide > >> ongoing and proactive support for the Debian user community shall > >> continue. This includes, but is not neces

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040502 20:25]: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. > > This new version has been

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:01:19 +0200, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I agree and also second it. Thanks > I would still rather like to remove the named release from it and > keep it as general guideline for the future, but it's quite useful > the way it is already. Wel

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:11 -0400, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I really like the new version of this GR, but I noticed a few > minor problems with it. Since even editorial changes to a > foundation document require a GR (and a supermajority), I think it's > best if we clean this

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. This new version has been proof read by David Harris, and is in much better shape

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040502 20:25]: > > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. > > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
I really like the new version of this GR, but I noticed a few minor problems with it. Since even editorial changes to a foundation document require a GR (and a supermajority), I think it's best if we clean this up as much as possible before the vote. Content-Description: Transition Guide > A

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040502 20:25]: > On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to > add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the > specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. > > This new version has been

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On consultation with the other sponsors, I have decided to add a sunset clause to the proposed "Transition Guide", so that the specific references to Sarge are ex-purged after it is released. This new version has been proof read by David Harris, and is in much better shape

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:33:01AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > The important part of my sentence was the first part - it "covers > everything". Including actually releasing Sarge, which your proposal > doesn't :) A change to the Constitution does have to mention any specific version of Debian.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Greg Norris
I second the following proposed amendment. On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes h

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 11:33:01AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > The important part of my sentence was the first part - it "covers > everything". Including actually releasing Sarge, which your proposal > doesn't :) A change to the Constitution does have to mention any specific version of Debian.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-04-30 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide" [...] I second this proposal.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] >

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 06:17:40PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > The wordy proposal, while wordy, covers everything - and it also > > provides rationale and context for the user. > > Providing context for the user is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Greg Norris
I second the following proposed amendment. On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes h

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2004-04-30 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the > list of foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, > titled "Transition Guide" [...] I second this proposal.

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] >

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-05-01 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:46:25 -0500 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 06:17:40PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > > The wordy proposal, while wordy, covers everything - and it also > > provides rationale and context for the user. > > Providing context for the user is

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Simon Law
I second the following amendment. Simon On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:57:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes hav

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:40:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > "Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Organization:srivasta"@debian.org wrote: > > There is precedence for this gap in ratifying a foundation and > > implementing the dictats of that document; as Joey Hess reminded me: > > I think that th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:16:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > In the specific case of General Resolution 2004_003, since that release > currently in preparation, code named "Sarge", is very close to release, > and the previously released version is quite out of date, our commitment > to our u

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:40:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > "Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Organization:srivasta"@debian.org wrote: > > There is precedence for this gap in ratifying a foundation and > > implementing the dictats of that document; as Joey Hess reminded me: > > I think that th

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:16:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > In the specific case of General Resolution 2004_003, since that release > currently in preparation, code named "Sarge", is very close to release, > and the previously released version is quite out of date, our commitment > to our u

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-05-01 Thread Lukas Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Kyle McMartin
I second this proposal. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second this proposal. Hi, [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not believe any substantive changes have been made.]

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Kyle McMartin
I second this proposal. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I second this proposal. Hi, [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not believe any substantive changes have been made.]

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Lukas Geyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substantive changes have been made.] > >

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:16:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > users and the need to make Debian strictly free. As Raul Miller stated: I must admit that I'm somewhat embarassed to see my name in this context. Flattered, but... I don't feel comfortable having my name "enshrined" in a foundati

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-04-30 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 06:17:40PM -0400, David B Harris wrote: > The wordy proposal, while wordy, covers everything - and it also > provides rationale and context for the user. Providing context for the user is not the job of FD's or the Constitution, it is the job of supplementary documentation,

Re: Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-04-30 Thread David B Harris
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:55:41 -0500 Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:57:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the list of > > foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, titled > > "Tran

Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not believe any substantive changes have been made.] In order to handle the changes introduced in the GR 2004_003, I propose we adopt a foundation

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document [Typographical fixes]

2004-04-30 Thread David B. Harris
I second this proposed option for GR 2004_04 On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:57:45 -0500 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > [This version contains typographical fixes, and a tightening > up of the grammar, of the foundation document. I do not > believe any substa

Counter-Proposal (was Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document)

2004-04-30 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:57:33PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I hereby propose that we amend the constitution to add to the list of > foundation documents the document attached in this proposal, titled > "Transition Guide" I'm also not comfortable with adding verbose documentation for solut

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-04-30 Thread Joey Hess
"Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Organization:srivasta"@debian.org wrote: > There is precedence for this gap in ratifying a foundation and > implementing the dictats of that document; as Joey Hess reminded me: I think that this document needs some serious editing before it is suitable as any o

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

2004-04-30 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [MY new CVS Emacs seems to have munged th headers, here is a new > version, with a few typographical errors fixed] > > Hi, > > In order to handle the changes introduced in the GR 2004_003, >

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