Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:05:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: This indicates either that you don't have any concrete, specific ideas about what to do differently, Something like that; I do know what I want to focus on, but I don't have the details worked out, and so there aren't specific ideas

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 06:15:04PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Since you've repeatedly mentioned my bureaucracy and procedures (not to mention bureaucrat referred to my person, which doesn't feel as nice, at least in popular connotations :-)), Sorry 'bout that :-) I'd like to point out

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 07:55:56AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, the problem with detailed job descriptions, as it were, is that you run the risk of having people argue over whether or not something is their responsibility. This would introduce a conflict. In the absense of such

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:30:06PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-15 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: So, I've given this some thought, and I think I understand why we seem to be talking two different languages here. Thank you for thinking and responding. […] I hope that explains it. If not, I'm afraid I'm going to have to tell you that I don't

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:50:59AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Is there any other policies that you disagree with, No. and would you be looking to change any of these as DPL? Not without first trying to achieve consensus. I'm slightly confused by my being copied in to your reply

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 09:22:48AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:50:59AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Is there any other policies that you disagree with, No. and would you be looking to change any of these as DPL? Not without first trying to achieve

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: Reading zack's platform, it makes me wonder why would you (Gergely and Wouter) actually need to be elected as a DPL to do what you mention on your platforms. Because while Zack's regin as DPL for the past two years have been very successful, and

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Mail-Followup-To can help you with that, fwiw. [...] I know that there are a number of things that I want to do

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
On 13Mar, 2012, at 17:18 , Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Mail-Followup-To can help you with that, fwiw. From the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:23:50PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: On 13Mar, 2012, at 17:18 , Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that.

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a header that nicely allows you to specify just that, I think a more

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:18:30PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Can I be more specific than that? Probably, but I'd rather not do that. Yes, I could start picking up specific things that have happened during the past two years and start slinging mud about it in Stefano's general direction,

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the people and the job that needs doing. Can I be more specific than that? Probably, but I'd rather not do that.

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:46:14PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the people and the job that needs doing. Can I be

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I honestly don't see what more I could tell you, without making up examples. I do *not* want to do that, because that will always be contrived and missing the point. I've told you several times now what I plan to do as DPL: I intend to copy the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 05:26:55PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Hi, Reading zack's platform, it makes me wonder why would you (Gergely and Wouter) actually need to be elected as a DPL to do what you mention on your platforms. Especially Wouter: you even state that you want to do some

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Finney
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: * Why do you think you need to be elected as a DPL to do what you propose? Given that one response to this didn't really address the question, let me try re-stating it: * What *specific* actions, requiring DPL powers, will you do as DPL? For

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: * Why do you think you need to be elected as a DPL to do what you propose? Given that one response to this didn't really address the question, let me try re-stating it: * What

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Finney
Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: * What *specific* actions, requiring DPL powers, will you do as DPL?

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/13/2012 12:14 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: there are some things I would like to see the DPL do differently Could you be a bit more explicit? Which things? Note that I have read your platform, but I still think it needs some clarifications. For example, you wrote that you think the DPL