Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:44:09PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Br

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
[2019-11-21 13:47] Ian Jackson > Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous > > versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not > > change meaning. > >

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Dmitry Bogatov proposed the following amendment: > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd > continues to be of value to the project. Every package MUST work with > pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work exclusively > with systemd and no supp

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Brian Gupta
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > > > > > > Please consider the above version, and a

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > > > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain > > > nothing > > > but grammar/

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Brian Gupta
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain > > nothing > > but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning > > changes.) > > I

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:45:21AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: > > Kurt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): >

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Sam Hartman
>>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes: Kurt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > I've >> currently put the title to "Pac

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > > > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support > >

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support > > non-systemd". Suggestions welcome. > > Dmitry titled his posting &

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support > non-systemd". Suggestions welcome. Dmitry titled his posting "Init Diversity" which I think is appropriate. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese op

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:08:08PM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous > versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not > change meaning. > > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote: > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain > nothing > but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning > changes.) I was unable to verify your signature.

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous > versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not > change meaning. Thanks. I think your option looks finalised to me. Do you

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not change meaning. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd continues to be of value

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Axel Beckert
Hi, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work > with pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work > exclusively with

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Kyle Robbertze
Hi, On 2019/11/21 02:11, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all > previous versions of it. > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work > with pid1 != system

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Jonathan Carter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2019/11/21 13:23, Ian Jackson wrote: > Those aren't the grammar fixes I would be thinking of. I expect > we will sort those things out :-). > > In the meantime, I also second this proposal. Notwithstanding some grammar/language issues already me

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Matthew Vernon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dmitry Bogatov writes: > Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all > previous versions of it. > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST wo

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-21 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Brian Gupta writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): [ quoting Dmitry ] > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work > with pid1 != systemd, unl

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-20 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all > previous versions of it. > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-20 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all previous versions of it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work with pid1 != systemd, unless i

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-20 Thread Brian Gupta
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ian Jackson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > (Kurt, you can skip to "FAO KURT".) > > Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Proposal: Init Diversity"): > > Here I formally propose following o

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-20 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 (Kurt, you can skip to "FAO KURT".) Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Proposal: Init Diversity"): > Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous > versions. ... > Being able to run Debian systems

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-17 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
[2019-11-17 19:56] Kyle Robbertze > > Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous > > versions. > > > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work > > with pid1 != systemd,

Re: Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-17 Thread Kyle Robbertze
Hi, On 2019/11/17 18:05, Dmitry Bogatov wrote: > > Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous > versions. > > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work > with pid1 != sy

Proposal: Init Diversity

2019-11-17 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous versions. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work with pid1 != systemd