Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:16:42AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, This is a question for all candidates. Over the years, I've always been very surprised to see that there's very little money that Debian is able to get. I don't agree with that assessment. I do think Debian is able to get

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:28:53AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, If you see projects like Openstack or oVirt (sorry for the examples taken from my area of expertise...), they have elections every 6 months for project leaders in this or that area of the project. In Debian, we just elect

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 03/12/2012 09:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Having said all that, provided we don't overdo it, having more money isn't necessarily a bad thing. If there are ways to attract more money from donators, we should do so. I don't think sending letters to companies is going to accomplish that,

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
On 12.3.2012, at 10.00, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Of course, it's unfortunate that the full details are not available. There's been work on making Debian's monetary details more transparent, but AFAIK there hasn't been anything made public on that yet. I suppose this is something that will

Gergely Nagy: enough packaging manpower?

2012-03-12 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, while reading algernon's platform I stumbled over the two sentences More packages, more packagers? A solved problem and Not raw, packaging manpower - with hundreds of people, we have that covered. How do you think about the current state of reviewing uploads for maintainers without upload

Stefano Zacchiroli: What would you do different

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Zack, you are 2 years DPL already. In your current platform you state in 1.2 why you want to stand for DPL an other year. Are there any areas within your current DPL work where you think you will do completly different to the other two years? Cheers, Martin -- Martin Zobel-Helas

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 05:26:55PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Hi, Reading zack's platform, it makes me wonder why would you (Gergely and Wouter) actually need to be elected as a DPL to do what you mention on your platforms. Especially Wouter: you even state that you want to do some

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:21:32AM +0100, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 03/12/2012 09:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Having said all that, provided we don't overdo it, having more money isn't necessarily a bad thing. If there are ways to attract more money from donators, we should do so. I don't

DPL practicing

2012-03-12 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, Let me quote your platform for context: 2.3.1  DPL practicing If elected again, the next term will be my last term as DPL, because I have different plans for my long term Debian future. Having that in mind, I will work since the very beginning of the term to ensure a smooth transition

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:16:42AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Over the years, I've always been very surprised to see that there's very little money that Debian is able to get. I'm convinced that this situation could change with a bit of involvement from the DPL, and that such money could

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:09:09AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Well, most of the Debian monetary assets are held by SPI, and the SPI reports their assets publicly (the board meeting minutes), so this isn't a huge problem. It would be nice if the auditors would release a public yearly summary,

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:28:53AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: If you see projects like Openstack or oVirt (sorry for the examples taken from my area of expertise...), they have elections every 6 months for project leaders in this or that area of the project. In Debian, we just elect a DPL,

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On 12.03.2012 19:25, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 03:16:42AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Over the years, I've always been very surprised to see that there's very little money that Debian is able to get. I'm convinced

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Finney
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: * Why do you think you need to be elected as a DPL to do what you propose? Given that one response to this didn't really address the question, let me try re-stating it: * What *specific* actions, requiring DPL powers, will you do as DPL? For

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Arno Töll wrote: as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no clue what you used our money for. I am probably not literally interested what for

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: * Why do you think you need to be elected as a DPL to do what you propose? Given that one response to this didn't really address the question, let me try re-stating it: * What

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Finney
Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 08:05:24AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: * What *specific* actions, requiring DPL powers, will you do as DPL?

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:55:25PM +0100, Arno Töll wrote: as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no clue what you used our money for. I am

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Arno Töll dijo [Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:55:25PM +0100]: as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no clue what you used our money for. I am

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 12.03.2012 23:19, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Actually, $boss asked me the other day how to support Debian better as he wasn't very convinced about usefulness of money donations to Debian as he didn't get much feedback about that, other than a tax

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Voting on technical matters, or to elect technical bodies, works well for projects that have a more narrow scope than Debian. There are Free Software *development* projects that use vote among developers as a way to decide whether to give commit

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/13/2012 12:18 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: we could put a note in the release notes or in the installation manual Do you *seriously* think that this would help? :) and/or put something on the website We have this on our from page already (eg: the Donations link). Thomas -- To

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-12 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/13/2012 12:14 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: there are some things I would like to see the DPL do differently Could you be a bit more explicit? Which things? Note that I have read your platform, but I still think it needs some clarifications. For example, you wrote that you think the DPL