[Declude.JunkMail] SpamReview Note

2002-02-15 Thread Tom Schwarz
To all that are using spamreview... If it appears that spamreview is locking up it may be because it is trying to load a large message and/or a large number of messages. To resolve the problem make sure you have v1.0.12. If you don't, you can download it at http://www.slsoft.com/spamreview.htm

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST vs. LOCALHOSTvs. RECIPHOST

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>Is the following true: > >Incoming Mail > >%LOCALHOST% = %RECIPHOST% >%REMOTEHOST% = %SENDERHOST% > >Outbound Mail > >%LOCALHOST% = %SENDERHOST% >%REMOTEHOST% = %RECIPHOST% Yes, that is correct. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST vs. LOCALHOST vs. RECIPHOST

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
Is the following true: Incoming Mail %LOCALHOST% = %RECIPHOST% %REMOTEHOST% = %SENDERHOST% Outbound Mail %LOCALHOST% = %SENDERHOST% %REMOTEHOST% = %RECIPHOST% Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruse

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
> >> If you replied, Declude on your server would have "declude.com" for >%REMOTEHOST%, but "HM-Software.com" for %SENDERHOST%. << > >Let me see if I finally get it: > >Okay - I'm really only concerned about inbound mail. Good -- the Return-Path: header should only be added to incoming E-mail.

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> If you replied, Declude on your server would have "declude.com" for %REMOTEHOST%, but "HM-Software.com" for %SENDERHOST%. << Let me see if I finally get it: Okay - I'm really only concerned about inbound mail. So - for INBOUND messages, is REMOTEHOST and SENDERHOST always identical - if not,

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>- The final SMTP server will PRESERVE the ENVELOPE FROM to the >- RETURN PATH header, so that any bounces AFTER completion of >- the SMTP process still know where to send bounces to. > >As I read RFC2821 7.2, second paragraph, a mail system should NOT do >exactly this. RFC2821 7.2 second paragr

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>- No. The Return-Path: header is supposed to include the exact >- address that was used in the "MAIL FROM:" SMTP command >This: > >"It is possible for the mailbox in the return path to be different >from the actual sender's mailbox, for example, if error responses are >to be delivered to a spe

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> "There is no inherent relationship between either "reverse" (from MAIL, SAML, etc., commands) or "forward" (RCPT) addresses in the SMTP transaction ("envelope") and the addresses in the headers. Receiving systems SHOULD NOT attempt to deduce such relationships and use them to alter the headers

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
- -Original Message- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt - Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 18:52 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use? - - - >> Im curious how this would be achieved without settin

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> Im curious how this would be achieved without setting the return-path: header previously: "It is possible for the mailbox in the return path to be different from the actual sender's mailbox, for example, if error responses are to be delivered to a special error handling mailbox rather than to

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
- -Original Message- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. - Scott Perry - Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 18:40 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header? - - >It can very well be some other address than t

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>According to the manual: > >%REMOTEHOST% Remote host name (the remote domain) >%SENDERHOST% Host name of the sender > >Are they different? Yes, they are different. The %REMOTEHOST% is always the host that connected to the IMail server. %SENDERHOST% is the host that the sender is using. If I

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1123.html >> If there is a delivery failure after acceptance of a message, the receiver-SMTP MUST formulate and mail a notification message. This notification MUST be sent using a null ("<>") reverse path in the envelope; see Section 3.6 of RFC-821.

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
> >> Allthough I don't see how the last server should acquire the address for >the return-path: << > >Well - it seems to me as if the last server has responsibility to report >back to the relaying server that it was contacted from? The Return-Path: header *must* take the address from the "MAIL

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
This is in response to several of the E-mails: >afaik is the Return-Path: header used to determine where to return the >mail in case it bounces and other postmaster messages. That is correct. >It can very well be some other address than the address where it was >sent from. Like the reply-to: he

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
I took the info from RFC2821, which probably overrules 1123; http://rfc.net/rfc2821.html Im curious how this would be achieved without setting the return-path: header previously: "It is possible for the mailbox in the return path to be different from the actual sender's mailbox, for example, if

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
RFC 1123 (http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1123.html) "IMPLEMENTATION: The MAIL FROM: information may be passed as a parameter or in a Return-Path: line inserted at the beginning of the message." >> Allthough I don't see how the last server should acquire the address for the return-p

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
I was curious, so I looked it up: "When the delivery SMTP server makes the "final delivery" of a message, it inserts a return-path line at the beginning of the mail data. This use of return-path is required; mail systems MUST support it. The return-path line preserves the information in the fr

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
And as a note, the preferred headers to set by servers with the envelope to and from addresses are: Apparently-To: & Apparently-From: -- Regards, Terrence Koeman Technical Director/Administrator MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.nl) Please quote all replies in correspondence. - -Original

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
Well, most servers do not handle Return-Path: correctly, but originally it was intended to let the client decide where to get messages about the mail they had sent. I don't think imail makes any use of the Return-Path: header. I think it'd be bad practice to set the Return-Path: header when recei

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path - proper use?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> afaik is the Return-Path: header used to determine where to return the mail in case it bounces and other postmaster messages. It can very well be some other address than the address where it was sent from. Like the reply-to: header. << Uhhh - so this header should (and possibly could) have be

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] REMOTEHOST vs. SENDERHOST

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
According to the manual: %REMOTEHOST% Remote host name (the remote domain) %SENDERHOST% Host name of the sender Are they different? From where does Declude derive one value vs. the other? One from the SMTP connect to Imail? The other from the very first "received from" header? Best Regards An

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread Terrence Koeman
afaik is the Return-Path: header used to determine where to return the mail in case it bounces and other postmaster messages. It can very well be some other address than the address where it was sent from. Like the reply-to: header. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman Technical Director/Administrator

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
> >> FYI, People running Declude JunkMail can add the following to their >config files to fix this: > XINHEADER Return-Path: < % MAILFROM % > << > >You posted this in the Imail list. > >However, isn't that redundant with: > > >> If you want to record the name of the sender (accordi

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Return-Path vs. X-Sender header?

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> FYI, People running Declude JunkMail can add the following to their config files to fix this: XINHEADER Return-Path: < % MAILFROM % > << You posted this in the Imail list. However, isn't that redundant with: >> If you want to record the name of the sender (according to the SMT

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ip List for Reverse DNS

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>What we would need is a Reverse DNS custom blacklist. Here is s typical SPAM >header: > >Received: from s0260.pm0.net [199.236.13.43] > >If I could add "pm0.net" and "hispeedmailer.com" and others to a new >"Reverse DNS" blacklist, then we wouldn't have to try to enter their >complete IP block o

[Declude.JunkMail] Ip List for Reverse DNS

2002-02-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi, I've come to realize, that the IP custom blacklist would too many individual entries and the sender blacklist is usually faked (although it can be helpful to add a weight factor for those free email services, like Yahoo.com). What we would need is a Reverse DNS custom blacklist. Here is s

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Why doesn't this get caught?

2002-02-15 Thread R. Scott Perry
>Yes, I have text after the domain. Here is what's in my blacklist file. > >networkpromotion.com270NetCustomBlacklist >azoogle.com 270NetCustomBlacklist >inyouremail.com 270netCustomBlacklist >ientrymail.com 270netCustomBlacklist >tm04.com