Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-11 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. So just have a look here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey#Alternative_Ligatures

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-06 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, just short... Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Nik, hi Rob, Jaron, Johannes, Bernhard, ... :-) Am Montag, den 07.03.2011, 04:34 +1100 schrieb Nik: [...] I'm not trying to be nasty, but this typeface looks genuinely unfinished. I think we would do ourselves a huge favour by locating a bette

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-06 Thread Paulo José
Hi Johannes! Yeah, you're right, we're not talking on the same thing. What I mean by kerning is correct pixel anti-alialing artifacts, when a letter becomes blurry and you can use a sharpening filter to sharp the edges (correcting the blurry). But none sharpening filter changes the shape or m

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-06 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Nik, hi Rob, Jaron, Johannes, Bernhard, ... :-) Am Montag, den 07.03.2011, 04:34 +1100 schrieb Nik: [...] > I'd like to know where you stand on the typeface in general? do you > think it works? Good question! [...] > But most of this is too nitpicky, no font is perfect (except HELVETICA =).

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-06 Thread Nik
Hi Joey, This feedback comes waaay too late, but I think your changes to the type have been awesome improvements in many areas (like the way you made the arch ascender of the second "f" end in a way that is concentric to the tittle of the "i", very nice). Like some others, the way the arm of t

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-05 Thread Rob Cummings
I tried to edit the wiki on my phone, but it just wasn't working out. Anyway... My vote: Right. I'm not crazy about the extended "f" crossbar or the right-angle shape the crossbar makes with the "i". I appreciate the effort and hope this isn't the end of this conversation. The logo should chang

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-04 Thread Jaron Kuppers
Hi Joey, Sorry to disappoint after all your work but I took a poll at work and it was unianimous... people liked the original logo better. They thought it was easier to read (f's are too close) and they thought the f connecting to the i was out of place with the rest of the logo. Vote: Original

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-04 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey, okay, I've tried to set up a voting page for us, see here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/Ligatures Do you all have write access to this page? I am not that experienced with wikis. @Bernhard: I've shifted the i more to th

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

2011-03-02 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Joey, all, replying to both of your mails, so please scroll down until the end... Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote. Although I don't know whether this w

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-02 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey, to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote. Although I don't know whether this was a good idea (not really representative, game design forum, so people might be programmers) I thought you might

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-02 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey Bernhard, 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold > In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted to > work > on a new proposal. > I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos on my page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time o

[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-02 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Joey, all, Johannes Bausch wrote: > And I just noticed that I made a mistake in my second but last mail. The > "just for reference"-link in my paragraph for Paulo should have pointed > here: > http://tinyurl.com/4bmcbny > And not to Bernhard's file. I just wondered... ;-) > > Joey > > 2011

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-02 Thread Johannes Bausch
And I just noticed that I made a mistake in my second but last mail. The "just for reference"-link in my paragraph for Paulo should have pointed here: http://tinyurl.com/4bmcbny And not to Bernhard's file. Joey 2011/3/2 Johannes Bausch > Hey Paulo, > > 2011/3/1 Paulo José Amaro > >> Sadly I ca

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-02 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey Paulo, 2011/3/1 Paulo José Amaro > > Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to > the > wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal. > http://tinyurl.com/48rgtw I guess that's something InDesign does with OpenType Pro fonts (Minion etc.). > And wit

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-01 Thread Paulo José Amaro
Hi Johannes! Sadly I can't see any image from the imageshack server. Could you add to the wiki? I'm actually curious about your friend's proposal. And with "sharpening filter" I mean this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking or another GIMP plugin to sharp image's edges (IMO, the best

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-03-01 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey Bernhard, all, sorry for not having repsonded so far. I'll try to answer more in time in future. I've added a third alternative where both f's have the same shape (note however, that I had to cap the first f so that the upper tip does not collide with the next f. If I had just copied the secon

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-28 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Joey, all, sorry for a short reply, but time is precious ... Johannes Bausch schrieb: [...] @Bernhard: Do you mean the bow on the first f should also point towards the middle of the i? Or just bend exactly the same way the second f does? The two bows should have the same curvature (just

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-27 Thread Johannes Bausch
> > RGB ES schrieb: > > I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif "i" should not >> have, ehr, serifs... >> > True, but ligatures per se are not serifs. If they look like a serif then there's something wrong. I asked a friend of mine who studies design to have a look at that issue, and

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-26 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Ricardo, * RGB ES schrieb: I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif "i" should not have, ehr, serifs... You're right. But many of the professional font contain the "fi" ligature (as Unicode character U+FB03) with an extended "f" bar to the "i". I mean, the i on a sans serif

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-26 Thread RGB ES
I can see a problem on this discussion: a sans serif "i" should not have, ehr, serifs... I mean, the i on a sans serif font should NOT have horizontal lines, and because of that it cannot be combined with the f. A sans serif ligature between two f is Ok but it is wrong between an f and an i: the on

Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo [was: LibO logo]

2011-02-26 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Joey, Christoph, all, Christoph, I'll reply to your mail later (I don't think we're far away from each other), here just a short remark to Joey... Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, 2011/2/25 Bernhard Dippold sorry, but I might misinterpret your mail, because I don't remember whom you are ci