Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-13 Thread K-J LibreOffice
Hi Christoph, Am 12.06.2015 um 23:42 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi Klaus-Jürgen, hi all! Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2015, 23:07 +0200 schrieb K-J LibreOffice: Hi Christoph, Am 08.06.2015 um 23:58 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, Nice to see you're back. Have I been away? Our Sleeping Beauty. ;

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-12 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, hi all! Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2015, 23:07 +0200 schrieb K-J LibreOffice: > Hi Christoph, > Am 08.06.2015 um 23:58 schrieb Christoph Noack: > > Hi all, > > Nice to see you're back. Have I been away? Just kidding. Thanks for the kind words ... I recently started (and still am)

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-11 Thread Jay Philips
Hi Sophie, On 06/10/2015 05:02 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay, Le 10/06/2015 14:20, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi Sophie, So editing the data in the database makes it suitable for 'Bibliography Database' to be under Tools but editing the link to the database shouldnt be considered suitable for it to be u

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-11 Thread Philippe Jung
Le 10/06/2015 14:40, Cor Nouws a écrit : > So the challenge - where the issues are about - is to make working with > Styles more natural, visible. Hi all, [Summary: style should be promoted by better answering user needs (several -new?- features proposed), not (only) by changing the ui] Here

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-11 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
Great reply. Thank you for the elaborate information. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Christophe Strobbe < stro...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/06/2015 13:41, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > > I guess it is controversial because there's a hostility of some LO users > to > > allow direct f

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-11 Thread Christophe Strobbe
Hi, On 10/06/2015 13:41, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > I guess it is controversial because there's a hostility of some LO users to > allow direct formatting of the document instead of resorting to Styles. > Therefore, some people consider that direct formatting should be hidden? It is also an accessi

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread K-J LibreOffice
Hi Christoph, Am 08.06.2015 um 23:58 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, Nice to see you're back. I hope you don't if I also add some thoughts... Your thoughts are worth enough to listen to. Maybe you should tell the new guys who you are. -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Cor Nouws
Pedro Rosmaninho wrote on 10-06-15 15:35: > ​I see your point, but there are other types of users for LO. And > sabotaging their way of working in benefit of others isn't the best way to > accomplish it. Of course. That is not the goal. Sorry if that was not clear from my writing. Ciao, Cor --

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
> > > From a trainer and migration consultant perspective, I see the mess and > grief and productivity loss, along with interoperability issues caused > by direct formatting. ​I see your point, but there are other types of users for LO. And sabotaging their way of working in benefit of others isn

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Sophie
Hi Jay, Le 10/06/2015 14:20, Jay Philips a écrit : > Hi Sophie, > > On 06/08/2015 12:02 PM, Sophie wrote: >> Hi Jay, >> Le 07/06/2015 19:07, Jay Philips a écrit : >> [...] >> >>> Would 'Exchange Database' be more suitable in the Tools menu next to >>> 'Bibliography Database'? >> >> Why, you're not

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Pedro, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote on 10-06-15 13:41: > I guess it is controversial because there's a hostility of some LO users to > allow direct formatting of the document instead of resorting to Styles. > Therefore, some people consider that direct formatting should be hidden? > > However, many

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Jay Philips
Hi Sophie, On 06/08/2015 12:02 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi Jay, Le 07/06/2015 19:07, Jay Philips a écrit : [...] Would 'Exchange Database' be more suitable in the Tools menu next to 'Bibliography Database'? Why, you're not working on the database, but editing the link to the database. So editing

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
I guess it is controversial because there's a hostility of some LO users to allow direct formatting of the document instead of resorting to Styles. Therefore, some people consider that direct formatting should be hidden? However, many users do prefer to use direct formatting and competing Office s

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-10 Thread Jay Philips
Hi Sophie, On 06/07/2015 11:22 PM, Sophie wrote: The promise, at the time, was to re-start the survey to obtain more accurate statistics (I cannot remember the discussion word by word as too much time and too many things have gone by). I suppose that some objections coming from Sophie reflect th

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-08 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all, I hope you don't if I also add some thoughts... Am Montag, den 08.06.2015, 04:38 +0400 schrieb Jay Philips: > On 06/07/2015 10:06 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: > > Hi Jay, I suppose you are not aware of the internal discussions based on > > those statistics, which were rejected by a large perc

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-08 Thread Sophie
Hi Jay, Le 07/06/2015 19:07, Jay Philips a écrit : [...] > >> * 'Exchange database' doesn't it belongs to bibliography? >> --> no please, do not hide this function that is used a lot doing mail >> merge > > Would 'Exchange Database' be more suitable in the Tools menu next to > 'Bibliography Data

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Philips
On 06/07/2015 10:06 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Hi Jay, I suppose you are not aware of the internal discussions based on those statistics, which were rejected by a large percentage of the community, to the point that there was a petition to stop the "so called" Renaissance Project. Hi Italo, Yes

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-07 Thread Sophie
Hi all, Le 07/06/2015 20:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > On 07/06/15 19:07, Jay Philips wrote: > >> The software hasnt changed that dramatically since the OOo stats were >> collected and user behaviour doesnt change that much over time as well. >> I dont exclusively rely on the stats, as i do compar

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-07 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 07/06/15 19:07, Jay Philips wrote: > The software hasnt changed that dramatically since the OOo stats were > collected and user behaviour doesnt change that much over time as well. > I dont exclusively rely on the stats, as i do compare LO with its > various competitors (MSO, iWork, WPS, WordPe

Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

2015-06-07 Thread Jay Philips
On 06/04/2015 05:22 PM, Sophie wrote: Hi all, Hi Sophi, just saw this message now. :D Some comments on the details provided on the issue, don't take them as criticism but as a long time trainer, here is my feedback with my user experience on background. Your feedback is always valued. :D