Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Kristóf Timur
Hello Owen, Thank you for responding, you raise some very good points there. Let me answer to your arguments. Whether this package is included in Fedora is presumably only determined by whether it's free software, meets the Fedora logo usage guidelines and so forth. Short answer: yes, it

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Fabian A. Scherschel
Hi, Owen! I don't think I need to point out that I don't agree with this. This further marginalises both the Design and Marketing team for what, a hot corner? So as it stands, we have our logo shortly when Plymouth is done booting, in the installer and on the GDM screen. And we are wondering why

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Misha Shnurapet
15.04.2011, 19:58, Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org: Hi, Owen! I don't think I need to point out that I don't agree with this. This further marginalises both the Design and Marketing team for what, a hot corner? So as it stands, we have our logo shortly when Plymouth is done booting, in

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Timur Kristóf
Hi guys, You're making some sense here. I'm not saying that my approach is the perfect one, I rather intended it as a start, because this is an important thing to discuss. The logo is a central piece of Fedora's brand and should not be taken lightly. The logo should be in a place where the

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Camilo Mesias
Hi, For the record, in Gnome 2 / Fedora 14, wasn't there a Fedora logo on the main menu? I say this because I had to add a menu to the panel after a fumbling session by an inexperienced user, which removed the menu entirely. When I replaced the menu it had a Gnome foot logo on it instead of the

Re: [Design-team] Fedora 15 Beta Release Banner

2011-04-15 Thread Alexander Smirnov
Thanks all! 2011/4/14 Jef van Schendel jefvanschen...@gmail.com 2011/4/14 Alexander Smirnov inksca...@gmail.com: Hi Team, I'm created beta release website banner [1], based on my template [2] and tatica artwork. [1] -

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Misha Shnurapet
15.04.2011, 20:45, Timur Kristóf ti...@sch.bme.hu: I'm not saying that my approach is the perfect one, I rather intended it as a start, because this is an important thing to discuss. The logo is a central piece of Fedora's brand and should not be taken lightly. I absolutely LOVE it. The logo

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Timur Kristóf
Camilo, That's correct. A quick look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28operating_system%29 will tell you that Fedora (and before that, FC) has always used its own logo in there. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fedora_14_GNOME.png Cheers, Timur On 04/15/2011 01:58 PM, Camilo

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 11:29 +0200, Kristóf Timur wrote: For this reason, this is something that should also be discussed with the Fedora marketing team. They should also have a say in this decision. (Because the removal of the Fedora logo will result in a weakening of the brand itself.) I

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Kristóf Timur
I don't think you understood me, really. If you think the Activities button is not the right place for a Fedora logo, please give us some ideas about what is the right place for it, or in your opinion, how we could give the shell a Fedora branding. Cheers, Timur On 04/15/2011 03:51 PM,

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 16:10 +0200, Kristóf Timur wrote: Every desktop environment that Fedora provides has Fedora branding. Could you please elaborate why the shell should be an exception? The shell is not a desktop environment. GNOME 3 is. And we already compromised by allowing that to be

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:22:03PM +0200, Kristóf Timur wrote: Okay, this is understandable. So how can a user distinguish between Fedora and any other Gnome distro, if there isn't a logo? There's no requirement to re-brand upstream stuff. After all, we don't change the appearance or logos

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Timur Kristóf
There's no requirement to re-brand upstream stuff. After all, we don't change the appearance or logos in Eclipse, GIMP, Inkscape, etc. In this case, why do we rebrand KDE, Xfce, and all other desktop environments that are included in Fedora? I think it would be more useful to work on

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 05:18:20PM +0200, Timur Kristóf wrote: There's no requirement to re-brand upstream stuff. After all, we don't change the appearance or logos in Eclipse, GIMP, Inkscape, etc. In this case, why do we rebrand KDE, Xfce, and all other desktop environments that are

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Timur Kristóf (ti...@sch.bme.hu) said: If we don't have any branding on Fedora's default installation, how will users be able to distinguish between Fedora and any other Gnome distribution? We do have branding - the login screen, the bootup screen, and the desktop background. (Seriously,

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:51PM +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: For the record, none of the Fedora users I'm close to use Firefox, they all use Chrome. For them at least the Firefox start page is a wasted effort. I'd imagine a sizable proportion of Fedora users would be in the same position.

Re: [Design-team] Gnome-shell extension that adds a Fedora logo

2011-04-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:58:54 +0100, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: For the record, in Gnome 2 / Fedora 14, wasn't there a Fedora logo on the main menu? I say this because I had to add a menu to the panel after a fumbling session by an inexperienced user, which removed the