Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 20:32 -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: Anyways, we are getting tiresome to most list members here, let's close the thread. You should never have begun this thread in the first place. It seems to be a very nasty habit of yours to begin, and carry on these

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Eugenia Loli-Queru
You should never have begun this thread in the first place. I beg to differ. This was an interesting topic. It's just that you don't want to hear what you don't want to hear. You close your eyes and ears and you start singing lalala, there is no problem with gnome, everything is just fine with

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Thomas Vander Stichele
Hi, I think that's a way better number of people participating than MOST commercial companies would ever dream of to make a market research on. They usually do their researches based on a sample of 2-3,000 people. Gnome would have 100 times that, and so I do take it that it would be

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
On Llu, 2005-03-07 at 18:21, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: A feature will be implemented if and only if there is a developer who wants to implement it, regardless of the number of votes it's received. Which is exactly why open source software will never replace commercial software or

OT: better than polls [WAS: roadmap status update/update request]

2005-03-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Havoc Pennington writes: I've seen hundreds of web polls and read a mind-blowing number of articles on Slashdot, LWN, LinuxToday, OSNews, etc. My estimate of overlap of the priorities of posters to these sites with Red Hat's enterprise customers is 5%. My estimate of the overlap of the

Selection of the menu item when a menu is popup on it.

2005-03-08 Thread Benoit Caccinolo
Hi all, Using gnome panel menu, I have noticed the context popup menu of an item suppresses the selection of the menu item. Finding this confusing I modified the comportment of the selection of the item of the menu on a simple example. Here is the demo with the code of the curren comportment

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Alan Horkan
[skip to the last two paragraphs for the improtant bit...] On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Alan Cox wrote: Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:26:36 + From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eugenia Loli-Queru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: roadmap status update/update request

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Damon Chaplin
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 03:21, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: In general, field research would be more beneficial in the long run. Real users --- random people who go to Brazilian Telecentros, office clerks in European cities --- don't know where to report their annoyances with free software.

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2005-03-08 at 17:20, Damon Chaplin wrote: Maybe a simple feedback questionnaire on gnome.org would be a start (avoiding the issue of voting), e.g. 1) Are you (a) a Home/Office User (b) an Advanced GNOME User (c) a Site Administrator You need to ask

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Rob Adams
It'd be cool if we could have a powered by logo that distros could include in marketing material, splash screens, documentation etc. Of course, we have no way to make it mandatory, but GNOME as a brand has suffered greatly by the whitewashing practiced by distributions, most notably the Java

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Marc O'Morain
Perhaps a feature request feature could be implemented into the GNOME desktop, similar to bug buddy. I have not thought about the user interface, but it would be very easy to get some metadata from the user, with questions like 'What application is the a feature request for'', etc. All these

Re: ***SPAM*** ***SPAM*** Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-03-08 Thread James M. Cape
On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 17:28 +0100, Richard Stellingwerff wrote: On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:52:54 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Removing the insetting makes the theme look so flat and old and boring that it ain't even funny: http://www.osnews.com/img/9810/cl.png

Re: ***SPAM*** ***SPAM*** Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-03-08 Thread James M. Cape
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 21:24 +0100, Richard Stellingwerff wrote: On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:11:18 -0600, James M. Cape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hacked ClearlooksHuman on my machines both at home and work to turn off the inset menubar, it really is pretty weird. :-) Without the inset menubar it

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2005-03-08 at 18:13, Rob Adams wrote: notably the Java Desktop Environment (I mean, honestly, what the hell is that?), but Red Hat's desktop is also a major offender. Perhaps if we asked nicely. How about a [insert long string of obscenities] trademark policy that is sane. The thing

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Alan Cox There is huge pressure to create vendor-brand but the foundation trademark fiasco caused most of what you are complaining about. Sorry, but that's a massive overstatement. The trademark issues are unclear, but there are plenty of GNOME logos in the distros. If this was more

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2005-03-08 at 18:21, William Jon McCann wrote: How do we define effectiveness? Is the primary goal to empower the user or help improve the system? And perhaps one of the biggest problems, how can you ever get positive feedback so that the sample pool is not distorted? Well the

String freeze continues...

2005-03-08 Thread Christian Rose
As always, once started, string freeze continues (forever) on the stable branch. That means that if you haven't branched for gnome-2-10, your HEAD branch remains in string freeze. If you have branched for gnome-2-10, your gnome-2-10 branch remains being string frozen, while you're free to do as