Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, On 9/18/07, BJörn Lindqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is simply not true. Checkout KDE > (http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/), Python > (http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/) or SDL > (http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/viewvc.cgi/trunk/) just to take three > random projects that uses Subvers

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Mikael Eriksson
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 03:30:25PM -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > In ChangeLog terms, this means > religiously hitting "C-x 4 a" in Emacs (or whatever your editor uses) > every time you modify a function or bit of code. I have now seen a lot of references to "C-x 4 a" in this thread and th

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-18 Thread John Carr
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 18:15 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 19:11 +0100, John Carr wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 12:27 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 09:10 +0100, John Carr wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 18:26 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 01:24 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > One reason is: for previous commits. Moving > > to a generated ChangeLog means losing a certain piece of history > because > > many modules have crap log in their history... > > Yes. Problem is solved by moving the old ChangeLog. sv

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 9/19/07, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:02 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > > There is no rational reason why GNOME would need both ChangeLog and > > svn log. > > There *is* a clear reason: offline and tarball use. What you really > mean is that there

Re: Update external dependency: system-tools-backends

2007-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Luca: Sorry - that was a mispost. I'm not sure how my email browser got so confused. Brian > You don't answer #6. A good answer might be whether the XML formats > used for saving documents has changed to a new revision in this release. > I'd focus on mentioning any data formats that are visbil

Re: Update external dependency: system-tools-backends

2007-09-18 Thread Brian Cameron
Luca: You don't answer #6. A good answer might be whether the XML formats used for saving documents has changed to a new revision in this release. I'd focus on mentioning any data formats that are visbile to end users. This TPT document looks really good, by the way. Brian > Il giorno ven, 14

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 18 septembre 2007 à 18:15 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > Depends on how you look at it. From far, yes, it looks like just > s/svn/git, but from near, you see developers hosting their own trees for > various experimental features, etc. This is how kernel works, and how > cairo and oth

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 00:02 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > There is no rational reason why GNOME would need both ChangeLog and > svn log. There *is* a clear reason: offline and tarball use. What you really mean is that there is no rational reason why GNOME can't use auto-generated ChangeLog.

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 19:11 +0100, John Carr wrote: > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 12:27 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 09:10 +0100, John Carr wrote: > > > On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 18:26 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 21:31 +0200, Ali Sabil wrote: > > > >

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 9/18/07, Federico Mena Quintero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People are lazy by default, and the lure of > >svn commit -m "quick fix" > > is just too big (replace svn with your favorite tool; it happens for all > of them). That is simply not true. Checkout KDE (http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/K

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:11 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: > 2007-09-16 klockan 21:43 skrev Thomas Vander Stichele: > > When I'm reading a ChangeLog, I want to know what changed in the > > software overall; what changes the developers are making, and why they > > are making them. I don't want to

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:13 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > Talking to Daniel "Cheese" Siegel we asked ourselves: > Why do all GNOME projects have a ChangeLog file? > Isn't it redundant when you just save a commit message. We use ChangeLogs because we decided to do so when GNOME started: http://deve

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:30 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:57 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > > > > > > With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, > > > prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the mess

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 12:57 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > > > > With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, > > prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the messages > > would no longer be grouped as they are with separate > >

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, > prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the messages > would no longer be grouped as they are with separate > ChangeLog files. What's more, it seems most git users > don't prefix th

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 11:50 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > > With git, it's simple as well. I could, in principle, > prepare my NEWS entry from git log. But the messages > would no longer be grouped as they are with separate > ChangeLog files. What's more, it seems most git users > don't prefix

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:13 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > Hi > > Talking to Daniel "Cheese" Siegel we asked ourselves: > Why do all GNOME projects have a ChangeLog file? > Isn't it redundant when you just save a commit message. More than anything else, I use the ChangeLog file to prepare the NEWS

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi, 2007/9/18, Behdad Esfahbod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 21:43 +0200, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 00:13 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Talking to Daniel "Cheese" Siegel we asked ourselves: > > > Why do all GNOME projects have a Change

Re: Maintenance releases for 2.20

2007-09-18 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi all, Almost all modules had a 2.20.0 release. Thanks everyone! :-) --lucasr 2007/9/10, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all, > > According to one of the super-cool release team scripts, those modules > have had zero or just a few releases during the 2.19.x cycle: > > Desktop: > - alacar

gnome-vfs, eel and nautilus branched for 2.20

2007-09-18 Thread Alexander Larsson
gnome-vfs, eel and nautilus has been branched for GNOME 2.20. The branch name is "gnome-2-20". Future work on nautilus will be porting it to use gvfs/gio. This work will happen on a branch though, so I don't expect much work on trunk in the near future. ___

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-18 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2007-09-16 klockan 21:43 skrev Thomas Vander Stichele: > When I'm reading a ChangeLog, I want to know what changed in the > software overall; what changes the developers are making, and why they > are making them. I don't want to read about every single small detail > they changed while making tho

Re: Distributed SCM in Gnome (Was: Git vs SVN (was: Can we improve things?))

2007-09-18 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2007-09-18 klockan 06:35 skrev Behdad Esfahbod: > On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 21:05 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > On 9/17/07, Sebastien Bacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Le dimanche 16 septembre 2007 à 09:42 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > > > Le samedi 15 septembre 2007, à 21:44 -0400, Behdad

gnome-control-center branched for 2.20

2007-09-18 Thread Rodrigo Moya
gnome-control-center has been branched for GNOME 2.20. New development in trunk is starting right away, with the following: * more capplet merging * speed improvements on startup * new localization capplet * libslab/shell improvements * and lots of bug fixes -- Rodrigo Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Update external dependency: system-tools-backends

2007-09-18 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno ven, 14/09/2007 alle 23.02 +0200, Andre Klapper ha scritto: > hi carlos, > > Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 20:48 +0200 schrieb Carlos Garnacho: > > I've just released system-tools-backends 2.4.0, this release was > > intended to be synchronized with the 2.20 schedule, and I'd like it to >