Hello,
On 11/9/07, Rob Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> One problem I find rather endemic in gnome is a) 'forced' usage of older
> automake/autoconf versions (why AM 1.7? why?!) and a lot of very
> confusing and messy autotools usage (I'll make a list if people want..).
> Maybe it'd be
Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 15:40 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
>> That said, there is one concern which trumps all others when choosing
>> a
>> build system: how easy is it for someone with a plain vanilla
>> distribution to compile & install your software? ./configure && make
>> &&
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 00:32 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> In this case there is an easy solution. Convert a few GNOME projects
> to the new build system and show the result.
Good plan. I've got an old branch of gnome-power-manager building with
waf, and I indend on having waf a build method for Pac
Il giorno ven, 09/11/2007 alle 16.58 -0600, Jonathon Jongsma ha scritto:
> On 11/9/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - Are the current drawbacks of using autotools in GNOME so so so
> > annoying that it would be really worth the effort of migrating to
> > something else?
>
> The only
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:45:19PM +0100, Ali Sabil wrote:
> I have usd waf quite a lot, it basically just blows off autotools,
> anyway, I am afraid the whole discussion will become pointless, as
> long as people criticize things without even giving them a try, just
> for the sake of criticizing..
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 23:03 +, Alp Toker wrote:
> Richard Hughes wrote:
> >> - Are the current drawbacks of using autotools in GNOME so so so
> >> annoying that it would be really worth the effort of migrating to
> >> something else?
> >
> > Well, I just copy and paste chunks of code in confi
Richard Hughes wrote:
>> - Are the current drawbacks of using autotools in GNOME so so so
>> annoying that it would be really worth the effort of migrating to
>> something else?
>
> Well, I just copy and paste chunks of code in configure.ac from other
> projects, changing the names of constants wh
On 11/9/07, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't want to comment about any specific build system. I have a
> couple of more fundamental questions about this topic though:
>
> - What's the *problem* that needs to be solved that really demands us
> to choose another build system?
I thin
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 00:37 +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote:
> - What's the *problem* that needs to be solved that really demands us
> to choose another build system?
The problem is the initial step; I only started coding open source stuff
a few years ago, and the biggest hurdle was just making stuff bu
Hi,
2007/11/9, Ali Sabil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Nov 9, 2007 8:01 PM, Richard Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 18:38 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> > > I created an initially simple configuration system for SCons and wrote
> > > SConstruct files for building Richard H
On Nov 9, 2007 8:01 PM, Richard Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 18:38 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> > I created an initially simple configuration system for SCons and wrote
> > SConstruct files for building Richard Hughes gnome-power-manager. It
> > turned out to be a pr
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 18:38 +, BJörn Lindqvist wrote:
> I created an initially simple configuration system for SCons and wrote
> SConstruct files for building Richard Hughes gnome-power-manager. It
> turned out to be a pretty good exercise because g-p-m has many
> optional dependencies, such as
On Nov 9, 2007 2:51 PM, Emmanuel Fleury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 13:52 +0100, Daniel Svensson wrote:
> >> waf runs in two steps, first configure,
> >> then build. And I cannot stress enough how fast it is. Zooom! Also it
> >> has a very nice looks
Il giorno ven, 09/11/2007 alle 15.51 +0100, Emmanuel Fleury ha scritto:
> Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 13:52 +0100, Daniel Svensson wrote:
> >> waf runs in two steps, first configure,
> >> then build. And I cannot stress enough how fast it is. Zooom! Also it
> >> has a very nice
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 12:27 +0100, daniel g. siegel wrote:
> though my biggest concern about toc2 at the moment is translation
> handling, which is not supported by itself and therefore has to be done
> manually with xgettext and msgmerge.
What are you doing with documentation? A lot of work was
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 15:40 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> That said, there is one concern which trumps all others when choosing
> a
> build system: how easy is it for someone with a plain vanilla
> distribution to compile & install your software? ./configure && make
> &&
> make install is about as ha
On 11/9/07, Pascal Terjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/9/07, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 09, 2007, Pascal Terjan wrote:
> > > > So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) in configure.ac
> >
> > This looks like a workaround; I'm sorry if I missed that pa
On 11/9/07, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2007, Pascal Terjan wrote:
> > > So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) in configure.ac
>
> This looks like a workaround; I'm sorry if I missed that part but can't
> intltool be fixed to work in this case?
intlto
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007, Pascal Terjan wrote:
> > So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) in configure.ac
This looks like a workaround; I'm sorry if I missed that part but can't
intltool be fixed to work in this case?
--
Loïc Minier
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Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 13:52 +0100, Daniel Svensson wrote:
>> waf runs in two steps, first configure,
>> then build. And I cannot stress enough how fast it is. Zooom! Also it
>> has a very nice looks ;)
>
> Yes, I evaluated waf a few months ago. It's a very nice internal des
Hi,
daniel g. siegel wrote:
> please understand, i dont want to bring up a "autotools is bad and it
> should die"-thread, i just want to use my time to code and not to use
> that time and effort on a build system. i also know, that i have stabbed
> into a beehive, so please be kind lets keep t
2007/11/9, Dodji Seketeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:23:40 +0100,
> "Pascal Terjan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
> [...]
>
> > > So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) in
> > > configure.ac
> >
> > After 2 months it looks like nobody is interested in this issue...
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 13:52 +0100, Daniel Svensson wrote:
> waf runs in two steps, first configure,
> then build. And I cannot stress enough how fast it is. Zooom! Also it
> has a very nice looks ;)
Yes, I evaluated waf a few months ago. It's a very nice internal design,
and very pluggable. Unfort
2007/11/9, daniel g. siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> hello!
>
> toc2 instead
>
> toc2 instead was really nice, i can edit most of it using bash or
> makefiles. its fast as hell and does what i want:
> * fast: it doesnt open a shell for each executed command, which
> allow
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:23:40 +0100,
"Pascal Terjan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
[...]
> > So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) in
> > configure.ac
>
> After 2 months it looks like nobody is interested in this issue...
>
> What should I do ? Open a bug on each module and hope mos
On 9/14/07, Pascal Terjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I had reported the bug on vte
> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476726) but I actually face
> it in other modules (just tested gedit) and a lot may have the same
> problem.
[...]
> So, the fix I proposed is to add AC_CONFI
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 12:27 +0100, daniel g. siegel wrote:
> hello!
>
> i will begin this mail with a warning:
> **
> this topic is highly dangerous, it could result in flame-wars,
> holy-wars, suicide, death or murdering. so please be kind and nobody
> will ge
Hi all,
How comes I feel that everybody will propose his own favorite
build-system scheme where autotools (far from being perfect) are widely
accepted as a 'standard' and known (and sometimes understood) by
numerous people.
IMHO, Autotools are broken but it's the best trade-off for now.
Regards
On 09/11/2007, daniel g. siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hello!
>
> i will begin this mail with a warning:
> **
> this topic is highly dangerous, it could result in flame-wars,
> holy-wars, suicide, death or murdering. so please be kind and nobody
> will ge
On Nov 9, 2007 12:27 PM, daniel g. siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so richard hughes and ali sabil told me about waf
> (http://code.google.com/p/waf/) as a build system replace for toc2,
> which would support translations nicely. has anyone used this tool?
The XMMS2 project uses Waf and we are
Am Freitag 09 November 2007 12:27:42 schrieb daniel g. siegel:
> autofoo is checking if i have installed the gnu fortran 77 compiler.
This is actually a bug in libtool.m4. The macro AC_PROG_LIBTOOL runs
conditional checks for Java (GCJ), but unconditional ones for C++ and
Fortran. Most of the co
hello!
i will begin this mail with a warning:
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this topic is highly dangerous, it could result in flame-wars,
holy-wars, suicide, death or murdering. so please be kind and nobody
will get hurt (even not your cat or your hamster) and vincent may gets
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