Re: Successful built of Gnome 2.12 with Jhbuild on FC4? Anyone?

2005-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/05, Ali Sobhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like the list gnome-build-status is not active (last posting June 2005). So I'm posting this note to this list. gnome-love would be a better list to try on. I've been trying to build Gnome 2.12 using jhbuild on a Fedora Core 4. Are you

Re: Preliminary Gnome 2.14 Schedule

2005-09-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/13/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, it's time to hammer out a schedule for the 2.14 release So, we've just had some clarifications and an additional request so far...no other complaints? Is this schedule fine? Hurry and speak up if it's

Re: Preliminary Gnome 2.14 Schedule

2005-09-17 Thread Elijah Newren
Sorry for the slow response... On 9/14/05, Danilo Šegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today at 7:42, Elijah Newren wrote: The specific solutions I'm proposing are: - Tarballs are due by 23:59 UTC on the Monday specified Can we also add a general guideline as to *earliest* when tarballs

Preliminary Gnome 2.14 Schedule

2005-09-13 Thread Elijah Newren
So, it's time to hammer out a schedule for the 2.14 release (and 2.12 point releases) and cover a couple closely related issues. I've put together a preliminary schedule, based on moving the 2.11 schedule forward 6 months (with a slight change). There are some specific issues I'd like to

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-09-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/11/05, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't exist. I think a metacity-list would be really really useful. Pretty please? :) As Havoc, said, I think the big question is finding out what problems this would address or what new advantages it would bring. I believe there may be

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-09-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/11/05, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there are topics that really need a list, they are on topic for desktop-devel-list, usability list, and other gnome lists. I don't think we need a metacity list until the metacity-specific content becomes a significant amount of traffic

Re: Version numbers of apps in the gnome desktop.

2005-09-10 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/10/05, Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Currently most of the applications which are part of the gnome-desktop are the same 2.12 however some apps like evolution, totem, gnome-volume manager, epiphany (and maybe a couple more) have different version numbers. Wouldn't it be

Re: evince string freeze breackage

2005-08-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/17/05, Carlos Garcia Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies, I broke the string freeze in this evince commit: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/evince/ps/ps-document.c?r1=1.55r2=1.56 I wanted to commit ASAP because of the evince release and I forgot that it changed some strings.

Re: tinderbox breakages in moz, soup, gnome-menus, libgnomeprint

2005-08-14 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/14/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/14/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't make any sense to me, really. The code looks fine and compiles without any warnings or errors here ... Can I see the full log? snip gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.

TARBALLS DUE: GNOME 2.11.91 (Beta 2) Development release

2005-08-07 Thread Elijah Newren
CCing d-d-l in case this gets stuck in the moderation queue on devel-announce like last time. ;-) Tarballs are due tomorrow (August 8th) at 23:59 UTC for the GNOME 2.11.91 Development release, which will be delivered on Wednesday. With this release, we enter string freeze. For the full

Re: Demanding API documentation

2005-08-02 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/2/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Murray, Firstly, I don't think we could even consider getting this draconian about interface documentation until all the *existing* interfaces are documented. If a whole library was pretty much undocumented, it'd be bizarre to

Re: Default Theme

2005-08-01 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/1/05, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I need now: 1) The Clearlooks Metacity theme needs to be landed into CVS in gnome-themes. Any number of people have provided patches for this, including me. 2) A Clearlooks desktop theme needs to be landed into CVS in

Re: Default Theme

2005-08-01 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/1/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/1/05, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I need now: 1) The Clearlooks Metacity theme needs to be landed into CVS in gnome-themes. Any number of people have provided patches for this, including me. 2

Re: Dumping gnome-smproxy in 2.14

2005-07-25 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/25/05, Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Samstag, den 23.07.2005, 00:58 +0200 schrieb Christian Neumair: Am Freitag, den 22.07.2005, 08:38 -0600 schrieb Elijah Newren: On 7/22/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 09:57 -0400, Luis Villa

Re: [PATCH] make Open Location dialog multihead aware

2005-07-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/23/05, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per bug #143784 [1]: Nautilus windows and dialogs are centred on their parent, this doesn't work when their parent is the desktop, as the desktop spans all monitors the dialog commonly ends up in the split between monitors (ie. the

Re: Dumping gnome-smproxy in 2.14

2005-07-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/22/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 09:57 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Honestly, any reason to wait to 2.14? I'd like to, but I just don't think its very good form to do it post feature freeze. When it fixes all kinds of bugs that ought to be

Re: Old versions of GNOME [was: Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12]

2005-07-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/22/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/22/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Federico, On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 22:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: I work in the desktop team at Novell, and a large part of my work consists of maintaining NLD 9, which

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/21/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a separate note: I still think that making Gnome 2.12 depend on Gtk 2.8 is a mistake considering that there is no way Gnome 2.12 could take advantage of the handful of APIs at this point: we are already supposed to have chosen the

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/21/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For how long has the QA team been running a Gtk 2.7.3 based desktop? And what kinds of tests have been done? I mean to get an idea of the testing happening in this area that lead to this very strong endorsement. We know that the

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/21/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We know that the testing at most has been running for six days. No, you don't. You asserted it. And it happens to be false. ;-) How exactly have you been testing Gnome with Gtk 2.7.3 for more than six days, I would love

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Elijah Newren
Just a quick clarification... On 7/21/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How exactly have you been testing Gnome with Gtk 2.7.3 for more than six days, I would love to know what kind of time machine you have. The original

Re: eggcups (and libgnomecups) for 2.12

2005-07-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/20/05, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mercredi 20 juillet 2005 à 14:56 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : So this is what gives me the printer icon in the notification tray in fedora? Ubuntu has something similar? That's gnome-cups-icon, right? What's the story/comparison

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/20/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This was sort of already decided in the thread, but after the release team meeting today, we figured it was worth mentioning officially. GNOME 2.12 *will* depend on gtk 2.8. This seems to add significant risk to Gnome 2.12

Many bugzilla keywords to be nuked soon

2005-07-19 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi all, The number of keywords[1] in bugzilla is ridiculously huge making them almost completely useless. We've identified a few dozen to nuke as a starting point in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302635, but thought we'd give people a chance to complain as there may be reason to save

Re: Gtk+ 2.8 for GNOME 2.12

2005-07-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record, because fedora/rh basically actively discourage people from using rawhide (though this is less true than it used to be), 'rawhide does $FOO' is not particularly persuasive to the QA team- the evidence suggests that most people

Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi

2005-07-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. It was suggested that I should 'make distcheck' in tinderbox. Opinions? Luis is cool for doing all this tinderbox work. Sane? Insane? Does it matter? I think it'd be useful, though I'm betting libwnck fails and I'll be unable to fix it

Re: Certification for GNOME apps

2005-07-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/13/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that necessarily going to please 100% of ISVs? No. (Possibly not even 50%.) Will it be useful anyway? IMHO, yes. While we should definitely get Bryan's input and attempt to accomodate it as much as practicable, lets please not bog this

Re: Application/System Tools vs System/Administration

2005-07-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/12/05, Ed Mack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Click-to-focus-and-raise is a legacy feature. Copy-on-select and middle mouse button paste _is_ extremely useful, specially combined with focus-follows-mouse. Statements like yours always seem, to me, like those of a Windows fan-boy...

Metacity branched

2005-07-11 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, I've created a gnome-2-10 branch for metacity (we've only had bugfixes that didn't break any freezes up until now). Elijah ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Application/System Tools vs System/Administration

2005-07-09 Thread Elijah Newren
On 7/9/05, Owen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 14:04 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: People who know or care what these capplets do are such a small, hyper-advanced set of users that I think asking them to install a separate package is not a large request. -Alex

Re: Does StartupNotify=true harm non-GNOME/GTK applications?

2005-05-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/23/05, Kai Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I hope I picked the right list to ask. If I add StartupNotify=true to the .desktop file of a Non-GNOME/GTK application could this lead to problems? Yes, the busy cursor could be stuck for a while (about 15 seconds) after the window is

Re: some thoughts about contributing to gnome

2005-05-10 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this (some could go to gnome-bugsquad, other parts to gnome-love, others to who-knows where...so I'm sure someone will redirect us if need be), but I thought I'd chip in and include some ideas for ways to fix things (warning: I'm highly verbose

Re: help_focus_widget

2005-05-02 Thread Elijah Newren
It would probably be better to take this question to gtk-app-devel-list (see http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-app-devel-list). Cheers, Elijah On 5/2/05, Ashok jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have created a widget by using gtk APIs like this: //Window creation

Re: Evince as universal Viewer

2005-04-19 Thread Elijah Newren
On 4/19/05, Jeroen Zwartepoorte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple example: eog has rotate image functionality. Does such functionality belong in a PDF viewer? May be a bad example, but Adobe Acrobat (v 7.0, at least) has a rotate feature for viewing pdf files. Cheers, Elijah

Re: Workspace Switcher Loop?

2005-04-18 Thread Elijah Newren
It used to work this way. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89315#c19 And I even *fixed* it 3 years ago! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80291 I don't even know why it got dropped... Well, you could read the last comment in the bug you pointed us to in order to

Re: Workspace Switcher Loop?

2005-04-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 4/18/05, Chris Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, though, the decision was made years ago that wraparound isn't wanted. This discussion doesn't belong on d-d-l anymore. Then perhaps you can summarize that argument, or point me to the comment which succinctly states why

Re: Re : Just a question

2005-04-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On Apr 11, 2005 5:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so the right way to implement the 81704 is to hardcode a value ( the right value is a 10 pixel gap) and to post the diff between modified code and the cvs window.c source ane window.h source ? Is that right ? Thanks a

Re: Just a question

2005-04-10 Thread Elijah Newren
On Apr 10, 2005 11:12 AM, Luca Cavalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my current metacity (but also older ones) already has magnetic window movement, just hit 'shift' key while drag the title bar (or 'alt'+drag the whole window). And the fact that it's off by default is a good hint that it's

Re: Bugzilla will be DOWN Sat 9 April 17.00-20.00 UTC

2005-04-06 Thread Elijah Newren
On Apr 6, 2005 3:43 AM, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, I'm sure if it isn't just a joke, they're only bumping the number which new bugs start at and are only doing it because they're taking down the server anyway. Hehe, I thought Olav's email was one of the funniest

Re: Bugzilla will be DOWN Sat 9 April 17.00-20.00 UTC

2005-04-06 Thread Elijah Newren
Hey Bill, On Apr 6, 2005 10:09 AM, Bill Haneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya Elijah: Sorry for the noise. I'm afraid this was a 'Bill goes off half-cocked' day, at least on this (non)-issue. I reserve the right to have my other posts taken seriously however ;-) No worries. It looks

Re: GNOME 2.12 Proposed Schedule

2005-04-05 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Apr 5, 2005 3:28 PM, JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that during the period during the release candidate and code freeze we announce code changes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (just like we do at other times for string/ui changes). Just prompts maintainers to step back

Re: User Interface Suggestion: Snap to Edge of Desktop Items

2005-03-25 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:28:36 -0800, Shahms King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 09:19 -0800, Alan wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 08:09:32AM -0800, Shahms King wrote: On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 02:33 -0500, Joseph Zennario wrote: I have a suggestion for the desktop for

Re: bug-buddy sending options (Was: roadmap status update/update request)

2005-03-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:39:08 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Another alternative, already discussed but turned down because of missing XML-RPC bugzilla interface I believe delayed until a later version of bugzilla or until someone ported something to Gnome

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:41:56 -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and they don't vote in web polls on osnews nobody said anything about this being an osnews project (might get hosted there, but not being an osnews project). I needed this to be an *official

Re: freeze breakage request (yelp)

2005-03-05 Thread Elijah Newren
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:02:54 +0100, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 13:09 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 19:52 +0100, Paolo Borelli wrote: Hi, we need to revert http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168262, since the patch is

Re: freeze breakage request

2005-03-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:02:12 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169021 contains a fix for a potential crasher that several people reported for RC1. It's a two-line fix. The issue is that request pages 1-4 from a list, whereas we may

Re: [ANNOUNCING] gnome-menu-editor 0.1

2005-02-27 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Christian, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:21:19 +0100, Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go. This is the first release of gnome-menu-editor, an application meant to allow simple menu editing according the menu-spec; it is coded after a proposal that Seth once published in may or

Enforce some restrictions on unstable APIs in the desktop release? (Was: gok broken with new libwnck)

2005-02-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:05:39 +, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 16:50 +, Bill Haneman wrote: We still have the problem that we are 6 days from code freeze with a change in API which we depend on. So the solution proposed below (re-implementing the

Re: Enforce some restrictions on unstable APIs in the desktop release? (Was: gok broken with new libwnck)

2005-02-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:40:10 +, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 10:19 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: i.e. the change has happened, you're going to have to deal with it. I don't think this was neccessarily went against any policy, because we

Re: [g-a-devel] Re: gok broken with new libwnck

2005-02-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:43:21 +0100, Torsten Schoenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 10:09 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: I know the position you're in sucks, but I'm willing to help you out with it. Note that Anders Carlsson changed API in libwnck for wnck_window_close

Re: gok broken with new libwnck

2005-02-22 Thread Elijah Newren
Minor correction... On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:09:54 -0700, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:12:30 +0100, Fernando Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elijah: would this timestamp be ok here? Actually, I don't know (I haven't looked close enough at the code

Re: moving windows above the top panel

2005-02-14 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:55:18 -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the wrong approach. The window manager is responsible for making things fit on screen. It alone has the last world under ICCCM on window sizes. What if the window can not be resized because it was

Re: Request for breakage in gnome-panel

2005-02-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:23:31 -0600, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 08:08 -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote: Bah, this was predictable. Because it's a trivial UI fix instead of any other kind of trivial fix, it becomes a huge thread and gets shot down for bad

Re: moving windows above the top panel

2005-02-13 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:47:21 +0100, Alexander Fieroch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 is there any possibility to move application windows above the top panel? I can move windows below the bottom panel but not above the top one and so I feel

Re: Request for breakage in gnome-panel

2005-02-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:54:46 +1100, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Bryan Clark And just to take the flames point head on, no flames do not generally mean that what was done was the wrong thing, they generally mean that very vocal people are upset that things changed.

Re: About project management

2005-02-08 Thread Elijah Newren
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:58:09 +0100, Benoit Caccinolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This site is really usefull but I was thinking about a site containing only *official* parts of the Gnome Desktop. Arriving on gnome.org, I would like to be able to parse all projects of the gnome desktop. A bit

Re: proposal for a smarter behavior for raising windows on mouse click

2005-02-08 Thread Elijah Newren
What's up with the cross-posting madness? ;-) On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:14:28 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 12:02, Martin Grimme wrote: Imagine the following scenario: - user clicks on scrollbar arrow - scrollbar knows that it should not raise

Re: Gnome applet in 2.8

2005-02-08 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 17:29:46 +0530, Pankaj kaushal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I found some bugs in the Stickynotes applet. I downloaded the source from the cvs and compiled it successfully with --prefix=/hom/pankaj/temp/ so all the directory structure is created there. How do I

Re: patch nag- 600+ unreviewed patches in bugzilla

2005-02-03 Thread Elijah Newren
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:32:28 +0100, Markus Bertheau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , 2005-01-23 14:25 -0500, Luis Villa : Hey, all... we've got /600/ unreviewed patches in bugzilla. That is totally embarassing. :( http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/patch-diligence-report.cgi This list lists

Re: UI freeze breakage (maybe): sync empty trash alerts in nautilus and trashapplet

2005-02-02 Thread Elijah Newren
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 23:58:54 +0800, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Because this is a new applet that is almost certainly not documented yet, here's 1 UI-freeze-break approval, of a necessary 2. But I don't consider this

Re: gnome-theme-manager ate my baby

2005-02-01 Thread Elijah Newren
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:31:42 -0500, Andrew Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can and will attach two. But they will probably of no use. The problem does not appear to be something in the main loop, but in an idle handler/callback(I think the window settings changed event - gconf update

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