Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 19:36 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: I agree that we don't really want another shared library, long term. Luckily, it should be easy to update apps when GUnique becomes part of some other library, as the code required to use GUnique is pretty small. As to how we get there,

Re: Empowering platform developers [Was: GUnique]

2006-09-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 20:03 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Richard Hughes I also think one of the reasons it was not written with gtk+ as a target was the level choice i.e. does this stuff belong in gtk+, libgnome, insert_project_ridley_module_here or some other module. It's really

Re: Hal version for GNOME 2.17

2006-09-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 16:12 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: Hi, I just saw on this page http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ExternalDependencies that the Hal version for GNOME 2.17 is 0.5.7, yet GNOME Power Manager 2.17.1 requires Hal 0.5.8. Has the page not been updated yet? Not

Re: Hal version for GNOME 2.17

2006-09-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 18:50 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Please, don't inflate GNOME dependences on non-technical merit. If some program can be compiled with library version X, it's NOT OK to depend on library version X+1 or X+2. G-P-M is good example: its real dependency is HAL 0.5.6.

Re: International Space Station Images

2006-09-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 21:38 +0400, Maxim Udushlivy wrote: Thanks, Elijah for the reply: it is a bit harsh Nope, I think Elijah was 100% correct. Richard. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Suspend and Hibernate Nomenclature

2006-05-05 Thread Richard Hughes
My opinions on the Suspend / Sleep / Hibernate / Standby / SuspendToX naming problems: http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/SleepNames From a Ubuntu bugzilla entry: here's from NOTES from 'hotkey-setup' When the machine should be put to sleep in some fashion: KEY_SLEEP signals Suspend to

GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-21 Thread Richard Hughes
24th April is the end of new modules proposal period. Are there any unaddressed concerns or questions regarding gnome-power-manager that people want to ask? The query with the notifications has been resolved I believe, as notifications have are limited to: * Battery fully charged * Low power *

Re: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-21 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 13:46 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: The email kinds of read like new-modules-are-chosen-next-week. Don't know if you meant that, but let me throw out a little clarification anyway: A big reason for the change in the module-proposal-method this cycle was in order to

Re: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-21 Thread Richard Hughes
On 21/04/06, Bryan Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's always hard to be everything to everyone. Just like other applications that have been replaced we probably need a solution for that transition. What are your ideas on how to handle all the current battery applet users? Surely

Re: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-21 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 17:20 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: Or what about BSD or other systems? They will have more incentive to port HAL to their OSes, which is a Good Thing for everyone. Also, if someone wanted to create a new module to maintain the battstat applet separate from

Re: libnotify and the HIG

2006-04-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 11:04 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 15:52 +0100, Mike Hearn wrote: On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:03:18 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: if you have the g-p-m icon on your systray, it makes a lot of sense to me to position the notification on that icon, so that

libnotify and the HIG

2006-04-15 Thread Richard Hughes
Is there a draft HIG guidelines on the positioning of libnotify arrows? NetworkManager has the point at the center of the notification icon, but gnome-power-manager points to the outside of the icon. The reason I'm asking is http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338638 wants a fix for the

Re: libnotify and the HIG

2006-04-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 15:40 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: My suggestion would be to not do the positioning calculation yourself, and let the notification stuff handle this itself. You can pass in the widget that you are using for the notification icon, to the _new () API call, and it will

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 19:13 +0200, Danny Kukawka wrote: snip other stuff IMO the idea to start g-p-m in gdm is not really a good solution if you use more than one desktop environment - a cross desktop solution would be much more better. Generic freedesktop-type DBUS API calls for stuff

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 11:47 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: I agree it's worthwhile renaming g-p-m's session bus interface from org.gnome.PowerManager to org.freedesktop.PowerManager after discussion and review on xdg-list. Richard, you should raise this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] describing what the

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 18:02 +0200, Holger Macht wrote: No, KDE people are definitely not pleased with their current implementation. They still use klaptop by default which is nearly completely unmaintained. Maybe Richard never heard KDE guys saiing that they want a cross desktop daemon, but

Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Richard Hughes
it in the core package set for dapper. gnome-power-manager depends on DBUS, HAL, cairo, and libnotify (is really optional but thoroughly recommended). So, what do you all think? Richard Hughes. [1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/ [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager [3] http

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: Since the original announcement mail about gnome-power-manager, we have moved the mailing list to gnome.org, are now hosted on gnome.org, and am starting to integrate

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:56 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: Since the original announcement mail about gnome

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 20:52 +0200, Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:56:50 +, Jaap Haitsma wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 14:47 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 21:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 01:47:12PM +0100, Richard Hughes

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 13:57 -0700, Corey Burger wrote: On 4/9/06, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaap Haitsma wrote: Richard, As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a daemon and a notication area

Re: Only one instance of a capplet should be allowed

2006-02-21 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 19:50 -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote: On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 21:44 +0100, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: snip Since arg parsing/handling is different for single-instance apps (certain kinds of arg don't make sense for instances after the first, such as --display) gtk could offer a

Re: gnome-screensaver

2006-02-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:03 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: - power monitors down after ... (we should interact with g-p-m if it is available, else handle it directly) This was moved to gnome-power-manager by Jon, as monitor DPMS control was considered more of a power thing than screensaver thing.

Re: Module decisions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 18:23 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: people like it, but some mor work is needed, and more integration should be done. It won't go in for 2.14, but we'd like to see a good integration work starting soon for 2.16. No worries. Does this mean I

Re: Module decisions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 10:53 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: On 2/11/06, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 18:23 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: people like it, but some mor work is needed, and more integration should be done. It won't go

Re: requesting official list of modules and versions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 15:58 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: I'd like to wait for 2.16 for gnome-power-manager. It looks great, but it doesn't look integrated enough to me, yet. Do we need to rush to accept a module in the desktop set? I don't think so. Many distributions will use it anyway. We

Re: requesting official list of modules and versions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 13:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi Richard, On Fri, February 10, 2006 13:27, Richard Hughes wrote: I guess if g-p-m is not a blessed module, then the string and UI freeze no longer applies -- or is the decision not yet made? No decision taken for now: the release

Re: requesting official list of modules and versions for GNOME 2.14

2006-02-10 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 20:41 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: If users want to get a dialog of the power status for all of their devices we should offer this functionality somewhere else, perhaps in the power management properties (Mouse Power: Good/UPS Power: Good, 14 minutes). I'm not sure the

GNOME Power Manager 2.13.5

2006-01-25 Thread Richard Hughes
Seeing as there's been so much good new stuff, and *lots* of bugfixes, I've done a release today. Yes, I know, 2.13.5 was weeks ago, but 2.13.90 is round the corner. :-) Files are in the usual place, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-power-manager/2.13/ Thanks for everyone for

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 19:26 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: There's just a lot of corner cases and I do think these justify g-p-m if we want the right user experience. All this is about policy and thus don't belong in HAL. Btw, is it now more clear that we need the policy piece in the desktop

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-22 Thread Richard Hughes
On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 14:19 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: snip This always seemed a bit weird to me. Is there any reason to choose this form of integration. Wouldn't it have been better to make gnome-screensaver listen for the HAL power management events directly, and lock the

Re: Request to update .cvsignore files

2006-01-20 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 14:26 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: Do you think I can update .cvsignore files on same (hopefully most) modules for Desktop and Developer Platform without asking permission to maintainers and/or opening relevant bugs on bugzilla? For me, adding stuff is no problem. I would

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-20 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 08:18 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Yes.. someone needs to code up the support I rambled about plus add it to g-p-m (and make sure the g-p-m maintainer agrees so to :-). Right now it's just ideas to support various not-so-interesting-but-still-important scenarios. For

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:17 -0500, Ryan Lortie wrote: On Wed, 2006-18-01 at 23:14 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: pragmatism, before we commit to path that none of our vendors or any other desktops want to share. In all fairness, I know that at least Ubuntu Dapper is using g-p-m. No idea

Re: GNOME Icon Theme 2.13.5[.1] AKA the HOLY CRAP, ICONS! release

2006-01-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 15:15 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: snip I plan to patch gnome-applets soon though, so that it uses the new names in gweather. snip So what's the easiest way for a maintainer to scan his src/ directory identifying the old names, and suggesting replacements? For instance, for

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-16 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 19:13 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: [1] gnome-power-manager and sabayon have not been having recent and regular releases, which would be easy to fix, but could be a cause of worry if not done soon for the upcoming releases. I've been waiting for HAL 0.5.6 to be released for

Re: Special folders in gnome

2006-01-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 09:21 +0100, Mattias Eriksson wrote: snip I don't have a perfect solution. But one (not totaly sucky) solution could be a solution where special folders are defined in a gconf-setting (system/gnome/folders/Pictures are set to the path to the Pictures folder, or a list of

Re: Special folders in gnome

2006-01-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 14:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: By the way, I think Apple translate in the UI (maybe in the Shell too), but not on disk. I'm not sure how that looks when you ssh into an Apple box. Maybe it's a filesytem thing. Maybe being a realist here, but we don't currently

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: snip + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? + gnome-screensaver: people want this. I'd say we should go with it and I believe it's the general consensus, but maybe some people

Re: ALInex - ADSL Modems - Portugal

2005-12-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 14:52 +, Alan Cox wrote: On Gwe, 2005-12-30 at 13:27 +, Richard Hughes wrote: I pondered this a few months ago -- we need a small application that when hardware is inserted (HAL event) can query a set of xml descriptors and then prompt the user with a libnotify

Re: ALInex - ADSL Modems - Portugal

2005-12-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:56 +, Alan Cox wrote: On Gwe, 2005-12-30 at 15:20 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Ahh, I was talking more about firmware like wireless card firmware, that all you have to do is bung it in /lib/firmware and the card magically works. Maybe I've missed the point

Re: Time to update your products!

2005-12-21 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 20:17 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: Hi everyone, * List of developers * http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnome-power-manager No users are marked as being developers of this project; please contact the bugmasters and let us know who to mark as such (see also this

Re: Proposal for inclusion in Desktop: GNOME Power Manager

2005-10-31 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 10:29 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 22:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: GNOME Power Manager is a session daemon for the GNOME desktop environment that makes it easy to manage your laptop or desktop system. I think this is crucial technology. I

Re: Proposal for inclusion in Desktop: GNOME Power Manager

2005-10-31 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 03:24 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:56:31AM +0800, Trent Lloyd wrote: From screenshots I saw, i beleived it should be able to show battery icons for other devices, mice, UPS, etc, the battery applet can't do this? There's no reason it

Re: Proposal for inclusion in Desktop: GNOME Power Manager

2005-10-31 Thread Richard Hughes
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 15:11 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 17:10 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Quoting Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The icon is configurable to whether it stays in the tray whilst charging / discharging, low (still need to fully code this), not full

gnome-power-manager in 2.14, was: new modules for 2.12

2005-07-28 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:49 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Punted to 2.13/2.14 * eggcups: this was pushed very late, and partially as a result there * productivity/office suite: the discussions about where this would I'm guessing gnome-power-manager[1] and gnome-screensaver fall into the 2.14

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