Re: relative URLs for git submodules

2012-08-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello, On 08/29/2012 11:27 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: If not, could we decide to always use full URLs? Three other suggestions: 1/ We could fix the gnome git servers to use the same urls for both git and git+ssh protocols. It'd mean to either stick an additional git/ component into the

Re: multiple vala versions in 3.4

2012-01-23 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 01/22/2012 06:45 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: While it is true that ideal scenerio would be for Vala to simply use gir/typelib but gir is missing features supported by vala and its bindings for many years now. Nested namespace is one of them. Another example is default values for

Re: multiple vala versions in 3.4

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 01/21/2012 05:58 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Being a maintainer of 2 vala projects in GNOME, I can tell you that valac itself is pretty stable these days and it gets more and more stable all the time. The issue is the bindings usually. There are way too many of the libraries to take care

Re: [gnome-settings-daemon] datetime: Remove datetime D-Bus mechanism

2012-01-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 01/20/2012 06:33 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Try to think of it as a freedesktop standard for time and date (like org.fdo.Notifications). It even uses the same DBus namespace! Once a provider is implemented (by porting timedated or whatever) it can be reused everywhere. It might be wise to

Re: multiple vala versions in 3.4

2012-01-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hi, On 01/19/2012 10:32 PM, Colin Walters wrote: But others (folks at least) fail to compile with 0.15. This question might seem a little naive, but could someone highlight me why the vala compiler can't stay backward compatible from release to release?

Re: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available

2011-12-02 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hi On 12/01/2011 10:16 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We're happy to announce that extensions.gnome.org is now in public alpha testing at: https://extensions.gnome.org Nice work! Would you think it would eventually be possible to include extensions for other popular GNOME applications in

Re: GNOME Online Accounts extensibility

2011-10-06 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 10/06/2011 07:40 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: II. To avoid user confusion we only want the major online services in GOA. Support for more specialized protocols/services should happen in each separate app - that's why, for example, that Empathy still has a preferences menu so you

Re: Plugins, modules and extensions

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 05/09/2011 03:52 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote: I'm looking forwards to see your opinions on these issues and I'm ready to help with whatever work (at the UI/platform/releng level) is needed to get a better plugin experience in GNOME 3.2 For your information, there is currently a Summer of

Re: 3.2: gjs/seed

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 04/29/2011 03:41 AM, a...@akbkhome.com wrote: I did think the plan of Introspection was to be able to say to Gnome users, You want to customise application X, pick _your_ favourite language, it's _your_ choice..., rather than getting into a 'this language is better...' story that tends to put

Re: 3.2: gjs/seed

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 05/04/2011 04:01 PM, Robert Carr wrote: The whole idea of using multiple dynamic language bindings to GObject in a single application is flawed due to the toggle reference system. Without changes to GObject, or some sort of (and this would have to be very clever...) infrastructure to allow

Re: New module proposal: libpeas

2010-10-07 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hi Andy, On 10/04/2010 09:11 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: On Mon 04 Oct 2010 13:10, Steve Frécinauxnudr...@gmail.com writes: I'd like to propose libpeas as part of the desktop release set, or whatever the release team cooked to replace it in Gnome 3.0. Libpeas sounds really neat :) Did you solve

New module proposal: libpeas

2010-10-04 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello Gnomers, I'd like to propose libpeas as part of the desktop release set, or whatever the release team cooked to replace it in Gnome 3.0. libpeas is a library targetted at native applications in Gnome and allowing them to easily provide extensibility through either a C GModule or

Re: libpeas, multiple languages, toggle references

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hi Owen, On 08/07/2010 12:06 AM, Owen Taylor wrote: So, do we really want to promote this as the way we do plugins in GNOME? Language neutrality for plugins seems nice, but is a bit of a trap. Actually, I am perfectly aware of the issues you point out with toggle references, I've been hit by

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
-team goal here is not to force those into stripping those 3.0-only bits, hence the agreement on the gedit plan to make just another 2.30 release with some more fixes. Regards, Steve Frécinaux ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/29/2010 03:00 PM, Xavier Claessens wrote: - pygobject with g-i support won't be part of that release Right, that's indeed a bigger issue I didn't though about. Actually I was not right here: After talking with Tomeu and Colin, pygobject-introspection with stable gi support might

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/29/2010 03:11 PM, John Stowers wrote: This is not so easy for some modules. Especially, those who rely on bindings and have been working toward gobject-introspection support (as gedit, totem and vinagre did, by supporting libpeas) must deal with the fact that those new bindings (or at

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/30/2010 12:28 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: It's not as simple: you can't use pygtk and pygi at the same time in the same program. Is that still true if PyGtk+friends is built against Gtk-3.0 etc? That is not my understanding

Re: GNOME 3.0 in March 2011

2010-07-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/30/2010 12:39 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:32 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: On 07/30/2010 12:28 AM, John Stowers wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:23 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: It's not as simple: you can't use pygtk and pygi at the same time in the same program

Re: (L)GPLv3

2010-07-06 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/06/2010 03:00 PM, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Vincent, On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 09:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Do you feel okay with the idea of allowing proprietary apps to use our platform but not GPLv2 apps? In short, yes. Can't the platform libraries of gnome be considered as a

Re: Libtool versioning made easy (was Re: Converting libraries andpluginsto use gtk3

2010-07-01 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/01/2010 08:15 AM, dma...@netspace.org wrote: In summary, I think the proposal simplifies libtool versioning to a great extent and reduces errors without introducing major drawbacks. How about a simplified set of variables that are still manually adjusted? Something like:

Re: Libtool versioning made easy (was Re: Converting libraries andpluginsto use gtk3

2010-07-01 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 07/01/2010 03:58 PM, Dan Winship wrote: On 07/01/2010 04:15 AM, Steve Frécinaux wrote: VERSION=2.22.5 LAST_INTERFACE_CHANGE=2.22.0 LAST_INTERFACE_BREAK=2.20.0 I like this (though I think you'll need a few more variables to make this be able to pick up where the version numbers from

Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90

2010-06-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 06/15/2010 03:05 AM, John Stowers wrote: AFAIK (and please correct me if I am wrong), but the story is the same for PyGtk; it builds against Gtk-2.0 and not 3.0. * What does this mean for Python apps and GNOME 3.0 / 2.31 The current plan seems to be that people should be transitioning

Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90

2010-06-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 06/15/2010 12:11 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 14 juin 2010 à 23:17 +0200, Andy Wingo a écrit : People can do what they like of course, and I recall back when GStreamer used to compile against GTK+ 1.2 or the GObject in 2.0. But from a bug management perspective, having to always ask

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 04/15/2010 02:05 PM, Martyn Russell wrote: If you had a real database, Are you suggesting SQLite is not a real database or that an application would use a real database to continue your point? I think what Bastien meant is if tracker exposed itself as a real database, i.e. exposing a SQL

Re: application indicators

2010-02-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On 02/18/2010 07:32 PM, Colin Walters wrote: But, do we agree that it makes sense for this to be in GTK+ (at least under #ifdef X11)? Ted seemed to say maybe.If we agree roughly on that, then do we want a cycle where we port a bunch of apps and components to use libappindicator, only to

Re: RFE: allow removal of single gnome-utils app

2010-01-27 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello, Rafael Gattringer wrote: recently I wanted to remove a single app of the gnome-utils package but couldn't. Since the apps are bundled, I would have to remove all the other apps at the same time. The dummy user like me has no idea of the underlying application packages. In the worst case

Re: What does gnome-shell give us?

2009-10-03 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 03 octobre 2009 à 00:03 +0200, Rodrigo Moya a écrit : the only few I can think of are some that you really want 1 instance of: * mail application (evolution) Add the RSS reader (but this kind of content is very similar to email). * IM (pidgin, skype,

Re: [Freeze break request] Nautilus: do not put a frame around images that have an alpha plane

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: 2) It doesn't seem to be an issue for images below 128x128 and they currently have no frame. I would rather have added a frame around images smaller than 128x128. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: GlobalMenu Application for inclusion as a GNOME module

2009-09-03 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ted Gouldt...@gould.cx wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 12:58 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Unless you ever want to use an MPX-enabled X server of course ;) I don't understand. Why is MPX incompatible with Global Menu? As Xi2/MPX allows

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Xan Lopez wrote: It can be used directly by applications that feed it data through an API. Zeitgeist is an example, another could be bookmarks/history storage in Epiphany. Do you mean storing actual bookmarks into the database ? I would be quite reluctant in mixing actual data with

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Philip Van Hoof wrote: SPARQL: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/ Are people actually intended to use that to get informations from the tracker gui ? Speaking of which, is there a gui or something ? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: git commit messages

2009-04-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Vincent Untz wrote: Frédéric (fredp) is suggesting to also propose a standard scheme to reference bugs that are fixed by a commit (so we can script things if it's needed one day -- that's similar to what Debian does). Something like Closes: #123456 or Fixes: #123456. I think KDE uses

Re: Generating .gitignore files

2009-04-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The idea is that .gitignore files are autogenerated and are NOT stored in the repository. To use, just copy git.mk into your toplevel, add it to git, run make -f git.mk and commit all changes it makes to your tree... If the generated .gitignore is not meant to be

Re: Metacity, Mutter, GNOME Shell, GNOME-2.28

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Owen Taylor wrote: So, basically, no I don't see a way that GNOME Shell coexists with Compiz other than as two separate shells for the GNOME desktop. IMHO, rather than looking for gnome-shell to work with compiz or another VM, one should rather try and make a way for applets to work on

Re: GNOME 2.26 Showstopper Review

2009-02-24 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alberto Ruiz wrote: 2009/2/24 Gian Mario Tagliaretti gia...@gnome.org: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Tomboy was using GnomePrint, the bindings provide the library, so unless GnomePrint is not going to be shipped anymore there is no point in talking about

Re: Help with strings for solution for desktop file virus problem

2009-02-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alexander Larsson wrote: So, there has been a lot of attention on the internets recently about the the desktop file virus issue. See also http://www.purinchu.net/wp/2009/02/21/desktop-file-security/ KDE's attempt to solve the issue. ___

Re: new module proposal: brasero

2008-11-02 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Bastien Nocera wrote: it offers the same features and integration (besides the hardcoded link CD/DVD Creator on gnome-panel[1-2]), That's means it doesn't use the same features. It doesn't integrate with the burn:/// usage pattern. Shouldn't both of those be configurable so one can use

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
2008/9/18 Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One way to avoid annoying the user is to establish a line like a password prompt should only pop up immediately after a user action. This way it appears only while you are expecting to type a password. Good behavior: you click on send mail in

Re: Proposed module: empathy

2007-12-27 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 11:55 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le mercredi 26 décembre 2007 à 12:18 +0100, Steve Frécinaux a écrit : On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 14:25 +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: c) A user friendly audio/video client (currently using Jingle and SIP but that could

Re: Proposed module: empathy

2007-12-26 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 14:25 +0100, Guillaume Desmottes wrote: c) A user friendly audio/video client (currently using Jingle and SIP but that could be extended to MSN at some point). Out of curiosity, what's the current level of SIP support within empathy/telepathy ? Apart from that, all

Re: Input devices capplets

2007-11-01 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:59 +0100, Denis Washington wrote: Keyboard: http://ultimum-projekt.de/mockups/keyboard.html The layout options dialog should really be re-worked in order to make it understandable and usable... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

Re: Why have a ChangeLog file if you already have commit messages?

2007-09-29 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 14:07 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Is it possible to update commit messages in git? Using git-commit --amend ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

gedit-plugins branched for gnome 2.18

2007-08-28 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello, gedit-plugins has just been branched. Gnome 2.20 development will happen in HEAD. Note that gedit-plugins is not part of the gnome release. Plans are to adapt gedit-plugins to the new gedit/gtksourceview API. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

Re: org.gnome.Application DBus Interface

2007-08-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 01:41 +0300, Marc-André Lureau wrote: And quit? method name=Quit / I did originally have a Shutdown method, but I was unable to come up with any real use cases for it. If you can think of any I'd quite like to hear them! If you can start an app, let

Re: org.gnome.Application DBus Interface

2007-08-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 23:30 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: The only reason I want to use, e.g. InvokeURIAction(Play, URI) vs. Play(URI) is that it makes implementation easier, and means we have a clean namespace for the URI actions. (The other alternative for that last point is to make *another*

gtksourceview branched for 2.18

2007-05-26 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hello, I've branched gtksourceview for Gnome 2.18 (the branch gnome-2-18). New development will happen in trunk. Those developments include the merge of the SoC 2006 work and will lead to gtksourceview 2.0, featuring (among others) a new syntax highlighting engine and a themeing support. This

Re: i18n of Turtle files for xesam project?

2007-05-26 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Sat, 2007-05-26 at 14:15 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote: I do not think it would be hard to extract the text from Turtle translation templates. Just follow the example of the .desktop files which should be very similar. You would need to code in Python a few functions to extract/put back

Re: libpcre: external dependency for gnome-system-monitor?

2007-05-08 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:26 -0400, Claudio Saavedra wrote: gnome-system-monitor is not buildable without libpcre. Is this a required external dependence or what? libpcre is used for GRegexp, so it will end up being a dependency of GLib anyway. ___

Re: Do you use multiple gnome-keyring keyrings?

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 15:44 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: Not really, key lookups always happens in all keyrings. You would need to set the default keyring to something when saving the passwords, and then change the default to another keyring, but after that all apps should be able to read

Re: Sticky Windows

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Sun, 2007-04-08 at 20:02 +, adel wrote: GNOME desktop needs something like this http://www.donelleschi.com/stickywindows/ Isn't that what the window list is for ? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-08 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 11:20 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Another one is put it them only members of GNOME Foundation. It supposed to be integrated by active members in the last two years (4 releases). Also, as a geek thing, it could encourage(?) to contributors to being part of the

Re: Plugins vs Extensions

2007-02-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 02:31 -0200, Evandro Fernandes Giovanini wrote: For example, Evolution has an Edit - Plugins window, Gedit uses a tab in the preferences dialog and Epiphany uses the Tools - Extensions menu. There are several other modules as well as third party applications. I was

Re: Removing the Multimedia Systems Selector from the menus

2007-02-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 18:13 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, Now that GStreamer is tip-top at autodetection, I think we should remove the gstreamer-properties from the menus, and leave the binary installed as a debug tool. There is at least one case where it is useful (at least here):

Re: Removing the Multimedia Systems Selector from the menus

2007-02-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 18:33 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: For everyone? I don't remember putting any specific code in Totem to deal with compiz/beryl. And apps that fail to work properly because Xv isn't available should be fixed... Well, I don't know the details, I just know I had the issue

Re: Proposed module: tracker

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Joe Shaw wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 20:47 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Jamie McCracken wrote: in any event tracker can be configured to not index at all or only index metadata and/or contents. It can also be used a stand alone metadata DB so I think tracker should be flexible

Re: Proposed module: seahorse

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
+1 from me, too. Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: This is cool; it almost replaces gnome-keyring-manager... could it replace it completely one day, I wonder?... Could it end up replacing gnome-keyring-daemon as well (with seahorse-agent) ? ___

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Richard Hughes wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 19:34 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Information about gnome-main-menu: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-October/msg00221.html -1 from me, on no technical merit other than I don't like what it looks like and I didn't like using

Re: Proposed module: gnome-main-menu

2007-01-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Iain * wrote: (Note that I don't have beagle, and that beagle is not part of GNOME anyway) Whats this got to do with anything? Seems a silly strawman arguement. It was just a way to tell you I didn't test the possibilities linked to the use of beagle. Not an argument, just a fact. -

Re: eel - save/restore window geometry

2006-12-18 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Luca Cavalli wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 22:19 +0100, Benoît Dejean wrote: I'd like to implement window geometry save/restore in system-monitor. Is there any plan to merge soon this feature into gtk+ ? Thanks. As a side note, Sound Juicer implements this via libgconf-bridge[1], which

Re: Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-07 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Emmanuele Bassi wrote: seriously: it makes completely sense. just a single feature request: adding a conditional parameter to compile it out on small(ish) platforms with tight memory constraints (as I understand gregex will have). As a feature request, too: please make it somehow not too

Re: Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-06 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Andrew Sobala wrote: Hang on, let's rewind here. Isn't what we want an application-specific way of deciding what language you want to spellcheck in, that defaults to the current locale, not a global desktop setting? Then when you're writing a document in French, you can change your

Re: proposed architecture evolutions for GConf

2006-11-11 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Josselin Mouette wrote: To achieve this, the first thing to do - and it should have been done for a long time - is to move the file notification API from gnome-vfs to glib. I enjoin you to look at the GVFS effort on the gnomevfs-list archives. The idea is basically to write a replacement for

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-23 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Jamie McCracken wrote: I know this is a bit late in the hour but I should be in the nick of time as the new modules proposals deadlines ends in a few hours! So well, what modules are you proposing ? the Tracker database and indexer ? Use cases that looks interesting to me wrt tracker and

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Rodrigo Moya wrote: IMO, it should replace the menu applet currently in gnome-panel, they serve the same purpose but slab has a much better look and a few extra features that make it quite useful, so if I were decide, I would include slab in the panel, to replace the current menu IMHO the

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-20 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Martin Ejdestig wrote: On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 13:11 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: The menu thing looks like the Mac menu, but doesn't behave anything like the real thing does on Mac OS. And the slab thing looks like Windows' start menu but doesn't behave anything like the real thing on Windows.

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
David Prieto wrote: This is not directly related to the topic, but is there any way that I can still propose Mathusalem for inclusion into 2.18? http://tw.apinc.org/weblog/2006/05/26#summer-of-code-acceptance (just in case you don't know what I'm talking about). I'm *against* mathusalem

Re: GUnique [Was: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16]

2006-09-23 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Jeff Waugh wrote: Can we use it as-is (or as well-defined cut'n'paste code) in GNOME 2.18 and plan towards migrating to a GTK+ 2.12 version in GNOME 2.20? Let's at least have a plan for it, otherwise we're just adding yet another [as above] with little active thought for our users,

Re: Proposal for Seahorse inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-09-12 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Nate Nielsen wrote: Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: På Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 10:04:09PM +, Nate Nielsen skrev: Key Manager * gnome-keyring integration for GnuPG and OpenSSH As an outsider I'm wondering: would a merge with gnome-keyring itself instead of building on top of it be a good idea?

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Steve Frécinaux
James Henstridge wrote: On 08/09/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your master plan implies branching early and heavily committing to both branches for a long time. Reality check: we are still using this archaic software called C.V.S.! Branching with that software is

Re: removing non-working things

2006-08-07 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alan Horkan wrote: a) It only affects BonoboToolbars, not for regular GtkToolbars On a side-note With gedit 2.8, this feature works ( with the stated bug) With gedit 2.17 ( rawhide ) detach toolbar option has no effect. Sounds like either a regression or the Gedit developers have given

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-02 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Murray Cumming wrote: More importantly, there are classes of users who genuinely need to know what file format is being used. For instance: - graphics professionals who need to deliver files in specific formats and often have the same file in multiple formats. - office workers who need to

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-07-31 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: You mean running untrusted code from the Web? Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-07-31 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Nigel Tao wrote: You mean running untrusted code from the Web? Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. Well, should signing be necessary and/or sufficient, and who makes that decision? I'm not really

Re: Winners of today's build breakages

2006-07-26 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Nigel Tao wrote: Deskbar uses elementtree to parse a really small XML file. This could be easily re-written to use another XML parser, removing this new dependency. You can also just embed the ElementTree.py file in deskbar's module tree. That's what we've done in gedit (plugins use

Re: consistency (or lack thereof)

2006-07-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Ryan Paul wrote: * In XChat it's XChat XChat is not part of Gnome, nor tries to integrate with it in any way. I'd suggest you to take a look at XChat-Gnome, which is a spin-off project trying to respect the HIG... ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-22 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jeff Waugh * Should we include Tomboy in the Desktop suite? (completely independently from the fact that it uses Gtk#/Mono) IIRC, there was an issue regarding Tomboy's icon (it was Tintin's head, which was both ugly and copyrighted). Was this one addressed or

Re: Putting the 'Mono debate' back on the rails

2006-07-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Jeff Waugh wrote: Ni hao, (Wow, this took a long time to write. Sorry!) [...] Thanks, Please, could we (if possible) answer every point in a separate thread (like jdahlin began to do) to try and keep things clear ? Otherwise the new debate will be likely to turn into a nameless mess like

Re: Tomboy in Desktop

2006-07-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alex Graveley wrote: To the second point, I have received very mixed response to the question of Tomboy's replacing of Sticky Notes. And we can see that mails to this list have expressed both points of view, with a slight bias towards the two coexisting (especially from those who actually

Re: focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Murray Cumming wrote: As for bringing in new functionality and allowing varied focus, I still think this could be done with additional release sets such as - Productivity: Spreadsheets, Word processing, Slides, Databases, Publishing. - Creativity: Photos, Graphics, Drawing, Video- and

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Hubert Figuiere wrote: C++ is not taught in university, etc[2] This is wrong, I had a (quite deep) course of C++ this year at university. The course was primarily focused on the inner working of C++ (VTables, inheritence, inference, etc), basically what GObject reimplements in C ;-) Just for

Re: Ideas for Integrating The Document-Oriented Web into GNOME

2006-07-16 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alex Jones wrote: Try disabling the http URI handler for GNOME. gconf:///desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/enabled [...] preferred application with that URI. I didn't know that this behaviour existed right now. Thank you for the hint ;-) 2. A simple web page viewer, sans-location entry.

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-14 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Iain * wrote: They already can. Don't like mono...don't ship mono applications. None of the libraries will depend or use mono. But applications could. Including mono as a blessed platform could, as a side effect, allow current apps to allow parts written in C#, like some already do with

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Iain * wrote: As for .NET, even Microsoft themselves had to pull back from using it for core functionality due to performance reasons - why do we think we will do any better? As someone who is running mono based applications fairly regularly, I haven't noticed any major performance

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Andrew Cowie wrote: Which, to be honest, I feel makes this whole discussion a bit pointless. I realize that GNOME release engineering is holy ground, but don't you see? Everyone already ships Beagle. Which means they ship Mono. Which means it's a part of the GNOME desktop. fait accompli.

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-13 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Ben Maurer wrote: Please read my previous emails. Designing everything in C will not help. Evolution, OpenOffice and Firefox are evidence that writing your app in C does not make it memory efficient. In the long term, a moving GC may be beneficial. Does using a GC really mean you have to use

Re: Some feedback

2006-07-06 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Radu Olaru wrote: I did not knew exactly to who should I write, nor did I found any explicit email on the gnome site, so here goes. Did you noticed how are modern desktops evolving? They try to be as dialog-less as possible. Gnome is great in evey way but it has too many dialogs opening at

Re: Gnome 2.14 default logoff dialog and diskmounter-applet

2006-06-17 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Rousseau de Pantalon wrote: Also, about the Disk Mounter Applet: Please revert to pre-2.10 or rip it out. This applet contradicts almost all Gnome HIG-guides: to begin with most important guideline: being useful. Well, it actually is, especially when you don't show volume icons on your

Re: Don't mess with our brand [Was: 'GNOME', 'Gnome']

2006-04-27 Thread Steve Frécinaux
John Williams wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 18:17 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: satisfaction. From the inconsistent usage of Gnome you should accept typing the BRAND IN ALL UPPPERCASE IS PROBLEMATIC. I though the comment Are you mad? Ever heard of IBM? You missed the point. As someone said

Re: Mono bindings a blessed dependency? [Was: Tomboy in 2.16]

2006-04-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Jamie McCracken wrote: But lets be honest here. This discussion isn't about tomboy. We need built in search; we're getting some of our best reviews in ages because of our (currently optional) built in search: well there's a huge problem with that - the memory usage of beagle would mean only

Re: gnome-keyring branched

2006-04-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 09:28 -0700, Corey Burger wrote: Any grand and glorious plans for 2.16? Not really. A nice feature would be the ability for the keyring to ask the permission to access more than one password at once (eventually setting the permission for each

Re: Mono bindings a blessed dependency? [Was: Tomboy in 2.16]

2006-04-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Murray Cumming wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 09:22 +0200, Steve Frécinaux wrote: [snip] (Also consider there is a huge blow of fresh air and optimism around the new D compiler which may bring us a compiled language with cool high level features, speeding up development and so on) [snip] We

Re: Mono bindings a blessed dependency? [Was: Tomboy in 2.16]

2006-04-21 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Rodrigo Moya wrote: I think we should allow everything written with a blessed binding, provided that code is optional (like nautilus+beagle integration, for instance), so that we don't force 3rd parties to use them if they don't want to. As soon as you include it in the desktop, the

Re: Gnome 2 infinity and beyond [was Re: Tango and 2.16]

2006-04-19 Thread Steve Frécinaux
(forgot to cc the list) Behdad Esfahbod wrote: We can also enforce the best practices by leaving the deprecated interfaces *behind*. For example, currently we have the library gtk+-2.0. When gtk+ goes 3.x, we will rename the base library to gtk+-3.0, and leave all the deprecated stuff in a

Re: gnome-themes and licensing

2006-04-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Thomas Wood wrote: With 2.16 now underway, I thought it was about time to give the gnome-themes module a bit of a revamp. However, many of todays artists want to use licenses other than the GPL to distribute their work (for example, the Creative Commons By Attribution license[1], or the Free

Re: Notification icons hell (was Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager)

2006-04-10 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Rodney Dawes wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:37 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: + the gossip icon. It just sits there, while I have no message. It should be an applet. Making it an applet doesn't solve the problem. It's still the same icon sitting on your panel, taking up space, doing

Re: Notification icons hell (was Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager)

2006-04-10 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Rodney Dawes wrote: This is a configuration problem, not a user interface problem. Just because you might want to do that, does not mean that all other users will want to as well. In fact, if you want to say that, we can talk about the majority of the Desktop market, and show how useful it is to

Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Davyd Madeley wrote: I would like to see g-p-m fragmented into three parts. * A daemon with no GTK+ dependance that would be suitable for cross-desktop use * A capplet (this exists today) * A notification area icon (libnotify dependance goes here) This would allow us to more easily

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Chipzz wrote: A comment here which not only refers to gedit, but also to those other apps which are creating plugins: do we actually have a standard consis- tant cross-application framework for scripting? I don't know how good VBA is at this, but I think we cannot have a different approach for

Re: Special folders in gnome

2006-01-13 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Stanislav Brabec wrote: Nautilus already has a special folder heuristics - ~/Desktop is displayed with a different icon. Let's enhance this, make special icons for them and Add Real name in Properties. Perhaps is it the occasion for giving the emblems a real meaning : each emblem could

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Vincent Untz wrote: Hi all, Hello, + deskbar-applet: most people were okay, some people thought it was eating too much memory. I'd say consensus was accept, but there's the issue that it depends on gnome-python-extras, which is not in the bindings. What should be done here? gedit 2.13.x

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