Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-26 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
[Late to the party, a colleague forwarded this thread to me] Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: While it's refreshing for someone other than me to say this ;-), I have to admit that getting HAL working on FreeBSD was a good thing. I look forward to the better API promised by DK. However, unlike

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 04:19 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: Richard Hughes wrote: During the 2.25 release cycle I would like to move GNOME Power Manager away from a HAL dependency and onto a new DeviceKit-power dependency. Will g-p-m break on non-DeviceKit-powered systems or will it handle

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
Luis Medinas wrote: On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 15:25 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 14:45 +, Luis Medinas wrote: Not to mention just like Consolekit it requires some tweaking to work on Linux distros. From what i remember lot's of distros like Debian and Gentoo required

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 15:25 +, Richard Hughes a écrit : Right, but I need more than feedback from gentoo, FreeBSD and Solaris for these project, we need _code_. The days of easily being able to run a desktop GNOME instance without PackageKit, ConsoleKit, PolicyKit or DeviceKit are

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 17:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 10:47 -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke a écrit : At some point, we will catch up. However, it would be better if we could have a transition period where both the new and legacy technologies work together to

PackageKit FUD, Was: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Richard Hughes
On 11/25/08, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also very unlikely that Debian embraces PackageKit as long as its target feature set is stick to the RPM capabilities. Please don't spread FUD, it's just not true. Please do some research before making ridiculous claims like that. At

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 13:39 -0500, David Zeuthen a écrit : The kernel is definitely part of this and, FWIW, we (the ConsoleKit developers) are working with the Linux kernel developers and security people to get this right (initially the session id wasn't readable to user space etc.). I

Re: FUD from PackageKit, Was: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Hi, Please, both, cool down. We don't need a flame war, and certainly not on DDL. Both seems to have their good POV; both seem to have a deteriorated vision of the other, probably due to past discussions. For example, saying that PackageKit can serve only second-grade distributions, isn't nice

Re: FUD from PackageKit, Was: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 25 novembre 2008 à 20:42 +0100, Matteo Settenvini a écrit : An idea, by the way: as of now, Ubuntu during an update pops-up sparingly a window asking what to do with a modified configuration file: if keeping the original version of the maintainer, the modified one, or what else. Yes,

Re: FUD from PackageKit, Was: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-25 Thread Richard Hughes
On 11/25/08, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand why you are restricting it to a single category of questions. Debconf allows that and much more, in a (of course) structured way. Right, so you guys need to propose extensions (and code!) on the PackageKit mailing

External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Richard Hughes
During the 2.25 release cycle I would like to move GNOME Power Manager away from a HAL dependency and onto a new DeviceKit-power dependency. DeviceKit-power is a new mechanism daemon that moves the battery profiling and statistics interface system-wide, and also does the history recording once

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; while I really love DeviceKit, there are a couple of questions I'd like to have an answer: On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 18:25 +, Richard Hughes wrote: DeviceKit-power and DeviceKit-disks just depend on the trivial DeviceKit daemon which is a thin dbus wrapper around udev. while DeviceKit

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi; while I really love DeviceKit, there are a couple of questions I'd like to have an answer: On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 18:25 +, Richard Hughes wrote: DeviceKit-power and DeviceKit-disks just depend on the trivial

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 24 novembre 2008 à 18:25 +, Richard Hughes a écrit : DeviceKit-power is a new mechanism daemon that moves the battery profiling and statistics interface system-wide, and also does the history recording once per system, rather than once per session. It also moves to an interface

Re: External dependencies, DeviceKit-power and GNOME Power Manager

2008-11-24 Thread Michael Biebl
2008/11/24 Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Q: Why is system wide better? A: There's no point doing the data collection, statistics profiling and calculations in every session on a multiuser workstation. There's also the point that at GDM you run a g-p-m instance, which doesn't have access