Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-14 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 11:22 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > > > Then lets stop the target! If I understand you correctly, the > > > development process from the documentors point of view is kind of > like > > > this. > > > > > > * Five months were developers play and pretty much destroy all the > d

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-14 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
> > Then lets stop the target! If I understand you correctly, the > > development process from the documentors point of view is kind of like > > this. > > > > * Five months were developers play and pretty much destroy all the docs we > > make. > > * Four weeks were we can undo the damage caused an

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-10 Thread Alan Horkan
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Shaun McCance wrote: > Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:32:00 -0500 > From: Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Nickolay V. Shmyrev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Nine Months in Six Months > > On Sat, 2006

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-10 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2006-09-10 at 10:24 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > On Sep 10, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Nickolay V. Shmyrev wrote: > > ... > > [Shaun McCance wrote:] > >> > >> But now you want all these programmers to assemble their > >> documentation piecemeal as they add features? > >> > >> Even if they al

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-09 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Sep 10, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Nickolay V. Shmyrev wrote: > ... > [Shaun McCance wrote:] >> >> But now you want all these programmers to assemble their >> documentation piecemeal as they add features? >> >> Even if they all had perfect English (which they don't), and even if >> they were all really

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-09 Thread Nickolay V. Shmyrev
> > You'll notice one of the new things in my proposal > was the idea of a string review. There are a lot > of crappy strings in our interfaces, often because > many of our programmers just don't have very good > English skills. > > And that's fine. Hey, my German pretty much sucks, > although

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-09 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 09:41 +0400, Nickolay V. Shmyrev wrote: > В Сбт, 09/09/2006 в 04:55 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist пишет: > > On 9/8/06, Don Scorgie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doc people do not have enough time. Its as simple as that. As shaunm > > > pointed out, this release we got 4 weeks t

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-09 Thread Alan Horkan
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, [ISO-8859-1] BJörn Lindqvist wrote: [...] > * Five months were developers play and pretty much destroy all the docs we > make. > * Four weeks were we can undo the damage caused and make GNOME understandable. > > Maybe this problem can be solved by elevating the documentation

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-09 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
Sáb, 2006-09-09 às 04:55 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist escreveu: > On 9/8/06, Don Scorgie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doc people do not have enough time. Its as simple as that. As shaunm > > pointed out, this release we got 4 weeks to update the documentation. > > This included 3 new modules needing

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Nickolay V. Shmyrev
В Сбт, 09/09/2006 в 04:55 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist пишет: > On 9/8/06, Don Scorgie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doc people do not have enough time. Its as simple as that. As shaunm > > pointed out, this release we got 4 weeks to update the documentation. > > This included 3 new modules needing do

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Adam Schreiber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > To me, that makes sense. An untranslated string is just as annoying as > a frequently segfaulting program. So lets treat the problems the same. > Code that changes behaviour shouldn't be committed unless the > documentation is

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 9/8/06, Don Scorgie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doc people do not have enough time. Its as simple as that. As shaunm > pointed out, this release we got 4 weeks to update the documentation. > This included 3 new modules needing docs, as well as lots of updates to > lots of other docs. The doc

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Don Scorgie
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 01:00 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > > Here is my much-anticipated MASTER PLAN: > > Using my incredible mathematical genius, I have figured > out how to fit an entire nine months of work into only > six months. I knew there was a reason I got a degree > in mathematics. (Or

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Steve Frécinaux
James Henstridge wrote: > On 08/09/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Your master plan implies branching early and heavily committing to >> both branches for a long time. Reality check: we are still using this >> archaic software called C.V.S.! Branching with that softwa

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 11:18 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > On Sex, 2006-09-08 at 01:00 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 19:32 +0100, Don Scorgie wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 11:24 -0700, David Trowbridge wrote: > > > > What in particular isn't

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread James Henstridge
On 08/09/06, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 08 September 2006 08:57, James Henstridge wrote: > > The real issue with handling development in parallel branches is > > really complexity of merging. This is an area where Subversion > > doesn't really buy you much over CVS -- yo

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Friday 08 September 2006 08:57, James Henstridge wrote: > The real issue with handling development in parallel branches is > really complexity of merging.  This is an area where Subversion > doesn't really buy you much over CVS -- you still need to manually > keep track of what you merged to do

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread James Henstridge
On 08/09/06, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your master plan implies branching early and heavily committing to > both branches for a long time. Reality check: we are still using this > archaic software called C.V.S.! Branching with that software is > incredibly complex. >

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-08 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sex, 2006-09-08 at 01:00 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 19:32 +0100, Don Scorgie wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 11:24 -0700, David Trowbridge wrote: > > > What in particular isn't possible with the 6-month cycle? > > > > For one thing: the documentation gets

Re: Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Here is my much-anticipated MASTER PLAN: > > Using my incredible mathematical genius, I have figured out how to fit an > entire nine months of work into only six months. I don't believe that directly splitting the focus between new development and bug fixing, or lengthening the period of time

Nine Months in Six Months

2006-09-07 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 19:32 +0100, Don Scorgie wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 11:24 -0700, David Trowbridge wrote: > > What in particular isn't possible with the 6-month cycle? > > For one thing: the documentation gets squeezed. We (the doc team) have, > basically, 3 month to document a