On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 20:51, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
My question to you would be, why didn't agreement ever get reached? Why,
four years later, are we still arguing about desktop activity? I see a
failure of cooperation; not of the design team's but rather of the whole
Tomeu:
On 04/26/12 02:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 15:10, Alberto Ruizar...@gnome.org wrote:
I'm afraid that interfering in the maintainer's responsibilities is a
very big can of worms, more likely to do harm than good. There's
something powerful in how a maintainer
Why did I write that mail?
First of all, I'm very sorry for doing precisely what I was trying to
prevent - alienating people. I wrote that mail in anger, always a bad
idea. I owe everyone, and especially the design team, an explanation.
In Gnome we are going through a period where there is a
Will probably regret writing this email, but here it goes, anyway.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org
wrote:
One of the main points of Nat's talk was that we were at a point where
Gnome was ignoring innovation for fear of losing simplicity. His
Hello Federico,
Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu:
snip
From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
Assume people mean well
From your mail:
The design team IS NOT welcome to:
* Second-guess maintainers or well-intentioned contributors.
* Block development
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Federico Mena Quintero
feder...@gnome.org wrote:
The design team IS NOT welcome to:
* Second-guess maintainers or well-intentioned contributors.
Surely the Design Team is also composed of well intentioned
contributors that only want the best for Gnome and do
hi Federico;
I think this email is not at all warranted - and it generates more
fuel for flames.
On 24 April 2012 02:58, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote:
The design team IS welcome to:
The design team IS NOT welcome to:
these elements contradict what you write below
*
OK first let us all please calm down (This does not apply to Emmanuele,
since he seems always calm :P)
We all have the best intentions at heart. I think Federico knows exactly
that the design team has best intentions. And I hope the design team knows
that Federico has the same intentions.
This
I would like to take a moment to make a reflection.
Maintainers only get to decide what's done in their modules back then when
GNOME was organized in a maintainer centric fashion. However with 3.0 we
have moved towards a model where yet another force is included in the
decision making process,
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 11:08 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
* Assume that no one but them does design that is good for Gnome.
if you're designing for Gnome, then *by definition* you are on the
Gnome design team.
I designed the dynamic help menus. I don't think anybody thinks
of me as being on
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I think an apology is in order.
That would require criticizing somebody in an inappropriate way first.
I don't see that here.
However I would have appreciated if Federico had elaborated on the
reasons and motivation for his post.
andre
Em Tue, 2012-04-24 às 15:50 +0200, Andre Klapper escreveu:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I think an apology is in order.
That would require criticizing somebody in an inappropriate way first.
I don't see that here.
I don't agree. I find it rude and out-of-order,
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 15:06 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Em Tue, 2012-04-24 às 15:50 +0200, Andre Klapper escreveu:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I think an apology is in order.
That would require criticizing somebody in an inappropriate way first.
I don't
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello Federico,
Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu:
snip
From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
Assume people mean well
Federico made no statements as to anybody's intentions or motivations.
For
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:58 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello Federico,
Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu:
snip
From http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
Assume people mean well
Federico
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 16:11 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:58 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello Federico,
Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às 20:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero escreveu:
snip
From
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 16:11 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:58 -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 10:54 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello Federico,
Em Mon, 2012-04-23 às
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 16:11 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
--8--
From: Maître D'
Subject: Spitting in the soup
The kitchen staff IS NOT welcome to:
* Spit in the soup
--8--
I didn't say you spat in the soup
Correct - nobody stated so far that anybody spat in the soup.
As you already
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 16:11 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
--8--
From: Maître D'
Subject: Spitting in the soup
The kitchen staff IS NOT welcome to:
* Spit in the soup
--8--
I didn't say you spat in the soup
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