Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 1/10/07, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IIRC (and I could be wrong since it's been more than a year since I last > looked at this bug), this is because GTK+ doesn't help us doing the > popup menus on menu items hack. GTK+ doesn't have to support every bad UI idea people have... ___

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-11 Thread Calum Benson
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 14:34 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Why would you expect to find them? No other menu on the desktop has > > them, and even half of the menu items on this particular menu (the ones > > that are sub-menus rather than launchers) don't have them-- even though > > those are exac

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-11 Thread Calum Benson
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 01:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 à 17:06 +, Calum Benson a écrit : > > Regular context menus, for selected icons and suchlike, are still > > best considered an expert feature; you'd be surprised how many > > Windows users have no idea

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-10 Thread Iain *
On 1/9/07, Kalle Vahlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This could be achieved by the slab menu, perhaps I will after all vote for it > ;) I was actually going to say, if the slab menu had a places pane, then there could be normal eject buttons beside the ejectable devices. They wouldn't be a weir

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-10 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 10 janvier 2007, à 13:25, Calum Benson a écrit : > On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 01:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 ?? 17:06 +, Calum Benson a ??crit : > > > Regular context menus, for selected icons and suchlike, are still > > > best considered an expert

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-10 Thread Calum Benson
On Sat, 2007-01-06 at 01:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 à 17:06 +, Calum Benson a écrit : > > Regular context menus, for selected icons and suchlike, are still > > best considered an expert feature; you'd be surprised how many > > Windows users have no ide

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-09 Thread Bryan Clark
Calum Benson wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 15:29 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: > >> Calum Benson wrote: >> >>> On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: >>> >>> We could also add a context menu with "open" and "eject", since apps menu items already have context menus an

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-09 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2007/1/9, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 15:29 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: > > Calum Benson wrote: > > > On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: > > > > > >> We could also add a context menu with "open" and > > >> "eject", since apps menu items already have context

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-09 Thread Calum Benson
On Fri, 2007-01-05 at 15:29 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: > Calum Benson wrote: > > On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: > > > >> We could also add a context menu with "open" and > >> "eject", since apps menu items already have context menus and it would > >> be just logical that items in

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Calum Benson wrote: > > On 4 Jan 2007, at 23:21, Dave Neary wrote: > ... >> I've been getting the impression reading this thread that I'm the only >> person who has used this feature on OSX... anyone know how the >> accessibility issue is handled over there? > ... > Or,

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Jan 6, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Diego Escalante wrote: > > On 1/5/07, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Perhaps it's time for me to mail this mockup around again: >> >> http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/RemoveableDevices.png > > Very nice. ... If a little overdone. I predict that a substantial prop

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007 à 17:06 +, Calum Benson a écrit : > Regular context menus, for selected icons and suchlike, are still > best considered an expert feature; you'd be surprised how many > Windows users have no idea they exist. > > Context menus for actual menu items, as we have on

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
Here is what you can currently do with tabular menus. Note that I do not really want to advocate this as a desirable feature, just showing what can already be done. Matthias tablemenu.png Description: PNG image #include static gboolean popup_menu (GtkWidget *widget, gpointer

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Calum Benson
On 4 Jan 2007, at 21:54, David Prieto wrote: > > Besides, are context menus all that undiscoverable? Windows has them > too, so most newbees should be used to them by now, I guess. Regular context menus, for selected icons and suchlike, are still best considered an expert feature; you'd be sur

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Calum Benson
On 4 Jan 2007, at 19:26, David Prieto wrote: >> Personally, I think the last thing we need is more context menus on >> menu items... it's probably about the most (unintentionally) >> undiscoverable feature on our entire desktop. > > I might agree, but... how's having an undiscoverable feature wor

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Calum Benson
On 4 Jan 2007, at 23:21, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Emmanuele Bassi wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 20:26 +0100, David Prieto wrote: >>> I'm open to alternative solutions, anyway. Would it be OK if >>> keyboard >>> navigation just ignored the eject buttons? >> >> it would be an accessibility i

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Calum Benson wrote: > On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: > >> We could also add a context menu with "open" and >> "eject", since apps menu items already have context menus and it would >> be just logical that items in the places menu had them too. > > Personally, I think the last thing

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
2007/1/5, David Prieto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've always thought that notification area icons for removable drives > > was the way to go. These could be managed by gnome-volume-manager. > > People typically object to this if they have "permanent" usb storage > > devices connected. To this end th

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Hubert Figuiere
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: > Currently the only way to eject/unmount things *is* through a context > menu. Adding more, as you say, wont make things better of course. I > really really feel that something has to be done about this. It is > horrible, and I'm ashamed each time I try to explain

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Diego Escalante
On 1/5/07, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps it's time for me to mail this mockup around again: > > http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/RemoveableDevices.png Very nice. > > Obviously, the strings and layout are not the best as they are, but I > think the concept is sound :) > > It is both dis

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread filip
> > Personally, I think the last thing we need is more context menus on > > menu items... it's probably about the most (unintentionally) > > undiscoverable feature on our entire desktop. > I might agree, but... how's having an undiscoverable feature worse than > not having the feature at all? > I

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread David Prieto
> Perhaps it's time for me to mail this mockup around again: > > http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/RemoveableDevices.png > > Obviously, the strings and layout are not the best as they are, but I > think the concept is sound :) I proposed that very same thing to the nautilus devel list short ago,

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Who
Perhaps it's time for me to mail this mockup around again: http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/RemoveableDevices.png Obviously, the strings and layout are not the best as they are, but I think the concept is sound :) It is both discoverable and useful (and with a 'hide' button on the top form, eve

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 05 janvier 2007, à 09:41, David Prieto a écrit : > Anyway, the initial problem with the eject buttons on the panel was that > they'd be difficult to reach without the mouse... is reaching a > notification area icon any easier? No :-) "Notification Area needs keynav" http://bugzilla.gn

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread David Prieto
> I've always thought that notification area icons for removable drives > was the way to go. These could be managed by gnome-volume-manager. > People typically object to this if they have "permanent" usb storage > devices connected. To this end there should probably be a way to > disable icons for

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-05 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
2007/1/4, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: > > > We could also add a context menu with "open" and > > "eject", since apps menu items already have context menus and it would > > be just logical that items in the places menu had them too. > > Personal

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 20:26 +0100, David Prieto wrote: >> I'm open to alternative solutions, anyway. Would it be OK if keyboard >> navigation just ignored the eject buttons? > > it would be an accessibility issue, and I'm positive that the a11y > people would *not* le

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 22:54 +0100, David Prieto wrote: > > an "undiscoverable" feature is like having no feature at all: only the > > people knowing that there's such a feature will be able to use it, and > > we'd have a whole slew of people bitching and moaning like we did when > > we had the

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread David Prieto
> an "undiscoverable" feature is like having no feature at all: only the > people knowing that there's such a feature will be able to use it, and > we'd have a whole slew of people bitching and moaning like we did when > we had the location dialog opened by Ctrl+L in the FileChooser. sure, > the f

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 20:26 +0100, David Prieto wrote: > > Personally, I think the last thing we need is more context menus on > > menu items... it's probably about the most (unintentionally) > > undiscoverable feature on our entire desktop. > > I might agree, but... how's having an undiscover

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread David Prieto
> Personally, I think the last thing we need is more context menus on > menu items... it's probably about the most (unintentionally) > undiscoverable feature on our entire desktop. I might agree, but... how's having an undiscoverable feature worse than not having the feature at all? I'm open

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Calum Benson
On 4 Jan 2007, at 15:27, David Prieto wrote: > We could also add a context menu with "open" and > "eject", since apps menu items already have context menus and it would > be just logical that items in the places menu had them too. Personally, I think the last thing we need is more context menus

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Alex Jones
On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 16:44 +0200, Kalle Vahlman wrote: > 2007/1/4, David Prieto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Since version 0.5.1, Tomboy is offering a way to pin important notes by > > pressing a pin icon at the side of the note,like this: > > > > http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6149/sinnombr

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread David Prieto
> While otherwise a decent idea, this makes the menuitem have two > different actions without clearly stating so. There is visually > nothing that will tell the user that the eject button is any different > from the icon before the text. Making it look like a button would sort > of solve this I gue

Re: eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2007/1/4, David Prieto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Since version 0.5.1, Tomboy is offering a way to pin important notes by > pressing a pin icon at the side of the note,like this: > > http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6149/sinnombrejg7.jpg > > I think that implementing a similar solution on gnome-

eject buttons on the places menu

2007-01-04 Thread David Prieto
Since version 0.5.1, Tomboy is offering a way to pin important notes by pressing a pin icon at the side of the note,like this: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6149/sinnombrejg7.jpg I think that implementing a similar solution on gnome-panel's places menu would be rather useful. Here you can se