RE: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Ed Coleman
Currently, asf cannot create new wiki's because of a Confluence issue (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24291) I chatted with infra and in response they created that issue. To expand on this discussion, I would like to toss out another alternative to discuss / explore. What if we us

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Christopher
So, I agree a space would be helpful. Although it's old school and inconvenient, the mailing list is the canonical place for discussion. We currently use GitHub issues a lot, but that's copied to a mailing list (as is our old JIRA space), so if people want to participate without a GitHub account, t

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Dave Marion
I'm opposed to using the website for the reasons I specified earlier, so it looks like we need to wait for INFRA to fix Confluence. I'd be curious how much we need to use the mailing list during the design phase. We can announce meeting dates/times on the mailing list and post links to meeting note

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Daniel Roberts
The discussions on the mailing list are important, but visual aids in mailing lists seem like they would be problematic. Likewise, it has been noted in other threads that email clients can cause complications with discussion threading so that could raise issues with long-lived discussion topics. h

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 1:34 PM Dave Marion wrote: > > I'm opposed to using the website for the reasons I specified earlier, so it Your reasons that I saw were: > 1. I don't think internal design discussions should go on the project website. That doesn't look to me like a reason. That appears to

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Dave Marion
I don't see the website as an area where we would have collaborative discussions about an idea. For example, making comments and suggestions on a document like you can do in Google Docs. I see the website as a place where items are documented for user consumption after everything has been finalized

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Daniel Roberts
I can confirm that apache confluence accounts can be requested and obtained without being an ASF member. There also seems to be a mechanism to allow write access as well. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Managing+permissions+on+your+project%27s+Confluence+Space I don't have the

Re: [DISCUSS] Enable Github wiki in asf.yaml?

2023-03-02 Thread Christopher
We've definitely used the website for more than that. We use it to document things for users, help developers know how to contribute, store drafts of designs, share user stories via blogs, do release announcements, and more. There's definitely space on the website to do this kind of thing, if we wa