Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi, Yes, it’s possible to do the bundle wrapping in Camel Karaf. Basically, moving the OSGi statements/bundle packaging in Camel Karaf (either at build time or via a deployer). That’s possible, but I would do that in a second step. Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 19:29, Zoran Regvart a écrit :

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Zoran Regvart
Hi Jean-Baptiste, perhaps for patching of dependencies we can see about independently versioning/releasing the bundles. Would that help or would that just add more overhead? zoran On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:19 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote: > > It’s part of Karamel ;) (karaf with camel) PoC I sta

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Zoran Regvart
Hi Cameleers, I also think Gitter is a bit hard to follow, especially when there are a lot of messages flowing by (reminds me of IRC). I do wonder how Zulip would be set up, I don't see an OpenSource plan on zulipchat.com[1] and I don't think it's good practice for an open source community to lose

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
It’s part of Karamel ;) (karaf with camel) PoC I started ;) Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 19:13, Jean-Baptiste Onofre a écrit : > > Fully agree. As soon as we have a consensus, I will prepare an action plan > with clear topics to work all together on this. > > To be honest, I already tested/

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Fully agree. As soon as we have a consensus, I will prepare an action plan with clear topics to work all together on this. To be honest, I already tested/started some work around that as part of the "cleanup" proposal I did couple of weeks ago. Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 19:09, Andrea Cose

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Andrea Cosentino
I'm +1 on this. But this needs to be a shared effort Il gio 20 ago 2020, 19:05 Jean-Baptiste Onofre ha scritto: > Hi Zoran, > > ServiceMix Bundles are definitely the way to go, and for instance I fixed > both spring-data and Elasticsearch bundles today fixing the > camel-elasticsearch-rest and c

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi Zoran, ServiceMix Bundles are definitely the way to go, and for instance I fixed both spring-data and Elasticsearch bundles today fixing the camel-elasticsearch-rest and camel-spring-redis components. So, we can keep this approach. However, shipping dependency in camel components bundles hav

Re: [Camel Karaf|Discussion] Embed component dependencies as private package of the component or camel component deployer

2020-08-20 Thread Zoran Regvart
Hi Jean-Baptiste, I think this is almost a necessity, a lot of projects have stopped shipping OSGI manifest. I am a bit worried about maintenance overhead and limiting the ability to patch dependencies (esp. for security updates). I thought we get the best of both worlds with servicemix-bundles, n

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi, Personal standpoint is … personal ;) Personally I hate gitter ;) About the way of joining The-ASF Slack, I remember INFRA change the policy. I think we can always ask for infra to "open join". Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 14:48, Andrea Cosentino a écrit : > > Hello JB, > > Slack is no

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Andrea Cosentino
Hello JB, Slack is not usable at all for me and this is a personal feeling. Other reason is the need of using a google or apache.org account, while you should be able to join with github or gitlab or whatever. Il giorno gio 20 ago 2020 alle ore 14:42 Jean-Baptiste Onofre < j...@nanthrax.net> ha

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi Andrea, What are your arguments for -1 about Slack ? Same as Luca ? Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 14:06, Andrea Cosentino a écrit : > > +1 for zulip, -1 for Slack. > > Il gio 20 ago 2020, 13:38 Onder SEZGIN ha scritto: > >> Hi, >> >> To be honest i am a bit lost with gitter. i can not

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Luca Burgazzoli
Yes but you either need to use a Google account or you need to have an @ apache.org mail address or get an invitation, not a huge deal but having the option to join with github/gitlab is IMHO a good thing. --- Luca Burgazzoli On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:18 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofre wrote: > Hi, >

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi, Anyone can join now afair. Anyway, for sure gitter is not convenient IMHO, the UI is horrible and the iOS/Android clients are so so. We use Slack in bunch of Apache project and it’s good enough to me. Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 14:14, Luca Burgazzoli a écrit : > > The main reason no

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Luca Burgazzoli
--- Luca Burgazzoli On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:37 PM Omar Al-Safi wrote: > Hi Luca, > > Yes is true, gitter clients on Android and iOS not the best, also zulip > looks nice, however my concerns would be the maintenance overhead, we have > now gitter and mailing list which is enough I think. If w

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Hi, I would go for Slack @The-ASF, it’s the "official" slack for Apache project, and we already have a room for Camel. Regards JB > Le 20 août 2020 à 13:12, Luca Burgazzoli a écrit : > > Hello, > > Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the > various camel proje

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Luca Burgazzoli
The main reason not to use Slack - IMHO - is that is not straightforward to join using one of the account most of the people already have --- Luca Burgazzoli On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:36 PM Francois Papon wrote: > Hi, > > Why not using the ASF Slack workspace? > > There is an existing Camel ch

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Andrea Cosentino
Anyway the main concern for me is how to follow every possible channel. It's already hard now Il gio 20 ago 2020, 14:09 Djordje Bajić ha scritto: > On Gitter is very hard to follow what people are writing. * > > > Sorry for the spam, accidentally hit enter. > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:08 PM

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Djordje Bajić
On Gitter is very hard to follow what people are writing. * Sorry for the spam, accidentally hit enter. On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:08 PM Djordje Bajić wrote: > +1 Zulip. > > On Gitter is very hard to follow what > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:06 PM Andrea Cosentino > wrote: > >> +1 for zulip,

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Djordje Bajić
+1 Zulip. On Gitter is very hard to follow what On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:06 PM Andrea Cosentino wrote: > +1 for zulip, -1 for Slack. > > Il gio 20 ago 2020, 13:38 Onder SEZGIN ha scritto: > > > Hi, > > > > To be honest i am a bit lost with gitter. i can not really follow. > > that's a quite g

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Andrea Cosentino
+1 for zulip, -1 for Slack. Il gio 20 ago 2020, 13:38 Onder SEZGIN ha scritto: > Hi, > > To be honest i am a bit lost with gitter. i can not really follow. > that's a quite good suggestion. > i have been using slack a lot. > i tried zulip quite a while ago when i did not like but maybe there is

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Onder SEZGIN
Hi, To be honest i am a bit lost with gitter. i can not really follow. that's a quite good suggestion. i have been using slack a lot. i tried zulip quite a while ago when i did not like but maybe there is an improvement. i don,t know. worth trying. just my 2 cents. Onder On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 a

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Omar Al-Safi
Hi Luca, Yes is true, gitter clients on Android and iOS not the best, also zulip looks nice, however my concerns would be the maintenance overhead, we have now gitter and mailing list which is enough I think. If we introduce a third tool, this could be annoying to keep track of, is just my persona

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Francois Papon
Hi, Why not using the ASF Slack workspace? There is an existing Camel channel. regards, François fpa...@apache.org Le 20/08/2020 à 13:12, Luca Burgazzoli a écrit : > Hello, > > Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the > various camel projects and overall the us

Re: Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Dmitry Volodin
Hi Luca! +1 for Zulip. Have experience to use it in Infinispan -- Best regards, Dmitry Volodin чт, 20 авг. 2020 г. в 14:12, Luca Burgazzoli : > Hello, > > Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the > various camel projects and overall the user experience was quit

Alternatives to gitter

2020-08-20 Thread Luca Burgazzoli
Hello, Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the various camel projects and overall the user experience was quite terrible for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example: - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages are messing